@tomic601 I took another look at the "Who has Luv for the Lyngdorf 2170 and is thinking about the 3400." thread. I read it from beginning to end. I actually posted some questions into that thread a few months ago.
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/who-has-luv-for-the-lyngdorf-2170-and-is-thinking-about-the-3...
It was a good read and I did a deep dive into the posters eventual systems and other thread comments (spent about 4 hours). It also got me feeling optimistic again on the bigger floor-stander for my room. My take away as pertaining to my situation:
1) Having a treated room prior to apply Room Perfect DSP is not a bad thing and will cause Room Perfect to have to do less work. Your speakers can have the burden of reproducing certain freq's removed by getting rid of the room treatments and having the Room Perfect deal with it. However, I would not do this and plan on keeping my acoustic treatments. Let the speaker work.
2) The amplification stage after the DSP can be variable. You can use the Class D as built-in on the amp. Or, you can buy a separate amp and use the RCA or XLR pre-amp out to an external amp. One user on YouTube mentioned he has a tube amp, a SS class AB amp, and the default internal Class D amp hooked up. He uses solid state when he wants background and the tube when he is focused on the music. Not saying the tubes are better than the default it was just this posters preference. A lot of A'gon posters love the sound of the Lyngdorf by itself. I have not yet contacted your friend about the Lyngdorf and Treo CT. I want to listen to the Lyngdorf first.
3) The Lyngdorf system sounds best with digital files. There is an upgraded analog input card that I would need to get and this does a A-2-D conversion of the signal. My listening of my analog sources are not that high. One CD a day on my modded Sony SCD-1 (a fun sound for me) and some KCRW.com FM radio (if they are not playing AutoTune garbage). Most of my listening is Tidal/ROON which the Lyngdorf is optimized for. It also has an Ethernet DAC streaming input, though the USB is supposedly still better sounding. My Sonare microRendu needs to follow my KEF LS50's to whatever room it goes to so the Ethernet input can save me a few dollars until I get another Ethernet-2-USB device.
3) The digital processing of the digital files is done by a Texas Instruments chip. I do not think this is a DAC chip, though in reality I do not care nor do I need to understand all the details. It is supposed to be lossless or bit perfect or something of that nature.
4) The volume control is excellent and the volume comes from a silent background at all levels. I heard the beauty of the silent background with my old Benchmark AHB2 amp ($3K)
5) Dealer states that a floor stander the size of a Magico A3 or Treo CT can work with DSP in my room. I am skeptical but hope to be proven wrong.
6) I need to go listen to this amp this week at a local shop. I will make 2 trips down to the dealer. If the first trip shows me a general sound that I like without the DSP, I will ask to demo this unit again using DSP with something that approaches what I am looking to get. It takes time to dial in the DSP with the microphone setup.
As I begin this journey back into audio I am starting to become a bit of an audio geek. I have some interest (if / when funds permit) to try a tube amp and class A amp. Buy and sell gear just to try like a lot of you guys here do. A lower power requirement on the speaker will give me more options. Another plus for the Treo CT over the Magico A3. A few amps that I am interested in are the following:
- Benchmark AHB2 (buy this back, sold it to make an investment)
- BAT tube amp (had an old SS BAT VK-42SE preamp and loved it)
- Krell XD amp (want to demo this)
- Mark Levinson amplification
- Pass Labs
- CODA pure class A amp
- and whatever else comes along
With the Lyngdorf in the pre-amplification stage, with or without DSP turned on, I believe I would have a framework to do this. You are not tied to any particular amplification if this is the intended nature for the pre-amp outputs. I will confirm this with my dealer visit later this week and also try the pre-amp out to maybe a Simaudio amp they have.
@james63 I forgot to mention that in my downstairs space. I have 30 foot long wall, when the adjacent family room is accounted for. So the science for the acoustics in that room should say it is an excellent space. That space will get a family friendly big rig system. Just waiting on my lottery ticket for that one.
BTW - for anyone wondering why I am writing so much verbiage. It is a way for me to remember the things I am finding along the way. I have re-read this thread a few times to focus my thinking.
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/who-has-luv-for-the-lyngdorf-2170-and-is-thinking-about-the-3...
It was a good read and I did a deep dive into the posters eventual systems and other thread comments (spent about 4 hours). It also got me feeling optimistic again on the bigger floor-stander for my room. My take away as pertaining to my situation:
1) Having a treated room prior to apply Room Perfect DSP is not a bad thing and will cause Room Perfect to have to do less work. Your speakers can have the burden of reproducing certain freq's removed by getting rid of the room treatments and having the Room Perfect deal with it. However, I would not do this and plan on keeping my acoustic treatments. Let the speaker work.
2) The amplification stage after the DSP can be variable. You can use the Class D as built-in on the amp. Or, you can buy a separate amp and use the RCA or XLR pre-amp out to an external amp. One user on YouTube mentioned he has a tube amp, a SS class AB amp, and the default internal Class D amp hooked up. He uses solid state when he wants background and the tube when he is focused on the music. Not saying the tubes are better than the default it was just this posters preference. A lot of A'gon posters love the sound of the Lyngdorf by itself. I have not yet contacted your friend about the Lyngdorf and Treo CT. I want to listen to the Lyngdorf first.
3) The Lyngdorf system sounds best with digital files. There is an upgraded analog input card that I would need to get and this does a A-2-D conversion of the signal. My listening of my analog sources are not that high. One CD a day on my modded Sony SCD-1 (a fun sound for me) and some KCRW.com FM radio (if they are not playing AutoTune garbage). Most of my listening is Tidal/ROON which the Lyngdorf is optimized for. It also has an Ethernet DAC streaming input, though the USB is supposedly still better sounding. My Sonare microRendu needs to follow my KEF LS50's to whatever room it goes to so the Ethernet input can save me a few dollars until I get another Ethernet-2-USB device.
3) The digital processing of the digital files is done by a Texas Instruments chip. I do not think this is a DAC chip, though in reality I do not care nor do I need to understand all the details. It is supposed to be lossless or bit perfect or something of that nature.
4) The volume control is excellent and the volume comes from a silent background at all levels. I heard the beauty of the silent background with my old Benchmark AHB2 amp ($3K)
5) Dealer states that a floor stander the size of a Magico A3 or Treo CT can work with DSP in my room. I am skeptical but hope to be proven wrong.
6) I need to go listen to this amp this week at a local shop. I will make 2 trips down to the dealer. If the first trip shows me a general sound that I like without the DSP, I will ask to demo this unit again using DSP with something that approaches what I am looking to get. It takes time to dial in the DSP with the microphone setup.
As I begin this journey back into audio I am starting to become a bit of an audio geek. I have some interest (if / when funds permit) to try a tube amp and class A amp. Buy and sell gear just to try like a lot of you guys here do. A lower power requirement on the speaker will give me more options. Another plus for the Treo CT over the Magico A3. A few amps that I am interested in are the following:
- Benchmark AHB2 (buy this back, sold it to make an investment)
- BAT tube amp (had an old SS BAT VK-42SE preamp and loved it)
- Krell XD amp (want to demo this)
- Mark Levinson amplification
- Pass Labs
- CODA pure class A amp
- and whatever else comes along
With the Lyngdorf in the pre-amplification stage, with or without DSP turned on, I believe I would have a framework to do this. You are not tied to any particular amplification if this is the intended nature for the pre-amp outputs. I will confirm this with my dealer visit later this week and also try the pre-amp out to maybe a Simaudio amp they have.
@james63 I forgot to mention that in my downstairs space. I have 30 foot long wall, when the adjacent family room is accounted for. So the science for the acoustics in that room should say it is an excellent space. That space will get a family friendly big rig system. Just waiting on my lottery ticket for that one.
BTW - for anyone wondering why I am writing so much verbiage. It is a way for me to remember the things I am finding along the way. I have re-read this thread a few times to focus my thinking.