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DC Offset Blocker/Killer - where to buy in the USA

   I have McIntosh MC8207, the first unit I bought from an authorized dealer came with a loud buzzing coming from the left transformer, and was replaced with a new unit which came with even a louder buzzing. The buzzing can be heard from 8 feet away. Then I was told to have install new 20 amp outlet that has its own isolated grounding.
   That was done professionally by an electrician who installed two isolated 20 amp outlets, two 20 amp circuit breakers, two copper polls for grounding for each outlet, each outlet has its own neutral and power line. After all this done the buzzing sound was still there.
   I was then told to buy a power conditioner which I did (Audio Quest Niagara) which was like $4000 and that did not help. Called back McIntosh and was told that I might have DC offset in my AC line and was told by McIntosh that I would need a DC Offset Blocker/Killer to which when I asked them where to buy one they told me to go on the internet and search to find one, to which I cannot find one.
  This bothers me a little bit, if you as a company think that I have dc in my ac and i need a dc blocker wouldn't you need to sell one as well. I brought this amp to my friends house and it was the same no improvement, so my guess is that he has dc in the ac line as well.
   So If anyone of you knows where to buy a DC Offset Blocker/killer please let me know, but even if this helps kill the buzzing wouldn't you guys think that this expensive somewhat hifi amp/brand should be silent from the factory. I mean this is two units in a row all purchased brand new.

My house is 5 years old, everything is brand new, the whole neighborhood is about 8-9 years old, my electrician says that I have perfect power coming to the house and everything looks fine.

Thank You

tomiiv30
tomiiv30 OP
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@jea48 

With my amp only one is buzzing, the left one, so lets say I do have dc on my ac line why would only one buzz? IMHO I think that the one that buzz is a bad one comparing to the right one which is a good one. It would be the only explanation.
So what I did was, I turned off every switch in the house except the on the amp is plugged in and yes the buzzing sound got quieter but was still present. But having an expensive amp that has much better transformer than a cheap amp this little interference when all breakers are on should do nothing to it. 
I bet you that every house has the same problem when you have multiple things running in a house such as ac units, furnaces, washers and dryers etc, you can't tell me that there is going to be no interference at all, but this expensive amps should take care of that problem. - I could be wrong.
jackd
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Simple solution.  Take the second defective 8207 back to the dealer and get your money back and if he is the one that sold you the Niagara get your money back for it too.  Then find a HT amp from another reputable company with customer service and buy it.  There are plenty of multi-channel amps on the market even if they don't have blue meters that will work in your situation. If only one of multiple transformers on the same chassis makes noise then the problem is not your house.  Don't waste any more time or money trying to fix McIntosh's problems as they are not the McIntosh of old. 
jea48
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From the MC8207 owner manual

Power Supply Circuits

To compliment the design of the MC8207, there is a high current power supply for the five power amplifier channels. Refer to figure 21. The very large Power Transfomer, has toroidal windings on a toroidal core and can supply over 35 amps of continuous current. Refer to figure 22 (golf ball is for size comparsion). It is enclosed in the legendary McIntosh Potted Enclosures and weighs over 12kg. The super size main filter capacitors can store over 340 Joules of energy for the seven amplifier channels, necessary for the wide dynamic range that “Digital Audio” demands. The power amplifier draws high current from the AC power line. Therefore, it is important that they plug directly into the wall outlet.
See page 15
http://stereobarn.com/wp-content/uploads/mcintosh-mc8207-amplifier-owners-manual.pdf

Where’s the second transformer? Am I missing something?

The very large Power Transfomer, has toroidal windings on a toroidal core and can supply over 35 amps of continuous current.
120V  X  35 amps = 4200VA. Just a guess the transformer is rated at 5Kva.


jea48
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tomiiv30 OP14 posts01-03-2019 12:00am@jea48 

With my amp only one is buzzing, the left one, so lets say I do have dc on my ac line why would only one buzz? IMHO I think that the one that buzz is a bad one comparing to the right one which is a good one. It would be the only explanation.
So what I did was, I turned off every switch in the house except the on the amp is plugged in and yes the buzzing sound got quieter but was still present. But having an expensive amp that has much better transformer than a cheap amp this little interference when all breakers are on should do nothing to it.
I bet you that every house has the same problem when you have multiple things running in a house such as ac units, furnaces, washers and dryers etc, you can't tell me that there is going to be no interference at all, but this expensive amps should take care of that problem. - I could be wrong.

I agree, McIntosh should have incorporated a DC blocker circuit in the amplifier.

So what I did was, I turned off every switch in the house except the on the amp is plugged in and yes the buzzing sound got quieter but was still present. But having an expensive amp that has much better transformer than a cheap amp this little interference when all breakers are on should do nothing to it.
The DC on the AC mains could/can be coming from a neighbors house that is fed from the same power company's utility power transformer as yours.

Just doing a quick Google search I found this manufacture of a DC blocker. You might give them a call and see if they can build you one to handle the power requirements of your amp. JMHO, the one shown is not big enough. Make sure you give them the AC power requirements info for the amp.

https://avahifi.com/products/humdinger-dc-line-blocker


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atmasphere
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Not all transformers will respond the same.
+1
My house is 5 years old, everything is brand new, the whole neighborhood is about 8-9 years old, my electrician says that I have perfect power coming to the house and everything looks fine.
DC on the line is caused by things like an electric heater that is only running at half power and so only using half of the AC waveform. That causes that half to be lower amplitude- thus the DC on the line.
Its solved by a DC blocker, which is a simple and inexpensive circuit. Why Mac didn't include that in the amplifier, when toroids are known for being particularly sensitive to DC (and thus make a substantial amount of noise) is curious to say the least.

IOW the amp may be perfectly fine. The DC Blocker can be installed in the outlet junction box, or it can be a separate box of its own. Its probably a good idea to find one and try it, as its likely less expensive than the shipping of the amp.
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