Straight tonearms without offset angle


In the October issue of Stereiphile, there was an article on a tonearm that had no offset angle and therefore had no skating force. The disadvantage of this is at the beginning and end of the record, the tracking angle error was much greater than what you get with an offset angle. For conventional tonearms that have an offset, and require anti-skating, which can never be perfect, the typical tracking error has a supremum of about 2 degrees, and according to online Lofgren calculators, this imposes a second-order harmonic distortion less than 2%. 

I have a single-ended triode amplifier consisting of vintage globe 45 triodes transformer coupled to 833A SETs which drives Magnepans. Such SETs typically have second-order harmonic distortion as high as 10% which does not hurt the sound. A straight tonearm without an offset would have a maximum, or supremum tracking error of just under 10 degrees. If this causes a second-order harmonic distortion of less than 10%, would not this be irrelevant in a SET system? Is there any way of calculating this, or has this ever been studied? 

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There’s a thread on the Viv Float tonearm. I suggest you review it. You are neglecting to mention that such tonearms are mounted so the stylus underhangs the spindle, as is the case for all of the commercially available tonearms that have zero headshell offset. Finally, such tonearms DO generate a skating force except where the cantilever is tangent to the groove; it’s just much less than for conventional pivoted overhung tonearms. I think it’s specious to analogize the HD of your SET with the tracking angle error of an underhung tonearm in the first place. I own a Viv Float, and I like it very much.

Yamaha also have a Vintage Design, as well as Stax and Micro Seiki also experimented with similar designs, but not zero offset that are now Vintage Models.

Yamaha also have a modern design for the Tonearm used with the GT 5000 Table, this arm is wired with PC Triple C. I am an advocate of this wire type, and also with experiences of having been demo’d a Tonearm with this wire type, used as a continuous wire from Cart’ Pins to Phono’ Input. Using such a Wire, as a Wands Signal Path is a very wise choice.

Truglider is another Brand producing Zero Offset designs.  

Pindac, are you saying that Stax and Micro Seiki once produced underhung tonearms with zero headshell off set? If so, that’s interesting. 

Even with a straight arm with no offset angle, the tracking angle error could have been lessened by making the arm longer and not underhung.  The reason for this design is not only to minimize skating force, it is designed to be extremely rigid by being short.

I have to say I was surprised, but it does sound good.

Stax and Micro Seiki both produced Straight Arms, but not Zero Offset .

When looking at the Models it does seem a Zero Offset can be created, a little thought for a Headshells Cart' Mounting Mounting would be the ideal place to modify.

Both Stax and Micro Seiki has a removable Headshell of the Flag on a Flagpole Type.

There are simplistic alternative methods to attach a removable Headshell to the Wand that are a substantial improvement. The Zero Offset seems to make this as a option even easier to achieve.

As made known in other Threads, I am at some point in the future to be demonstrated a friends TA Design as a Underhung Geometry, with them producing a alternate Headshell for their TA.    

https://www.monoandstereo.com/zero-offset-full-straight-tonearm-project/

https://www.hifispeaker.wiki/item/micro-seiki-cf-1

There are Headshell designs in the following link that will attach to the Wand, these designs enable a rigidity not usually achievable from a Bayonet attachment, the ones in the link are much closer to a formed Headshell on the Wand

@mijostyn would make easy work of producing one of these alternate removable Headshells if the OD of the Wand is supplied. There will also be a need for getting over any confliction held with Underhung Geometry cheeky

http://www.schiller-phono.de/de/tonarm-diy

 

As well as the thread here on the Viv Labs Rigid Float, I can recommend studying a couple of others elsewhere:

At Audiokarma

At diyaudio

It's a fascinating subject, not least for the love for underhung arms exhibited by owners contrasting with the hatred exhibited by those who do not own them.

Thanks for referencing those threads, Dogberry. I read the Audiokharma thread today. Boy, some of those guys go off less than half cocked. It would be exhausting to try to correct all the misstatements.

As Stated on many occasions:

 "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

Where investigation and experiences off are not easily attained, an open mind is also a wonderful companion and failsafe against everlasting ignorance . 

Pindac, wow, I have no idea of you’re trying to say here. I had a wonderful writing professor in college which would point out that your "fog index" is through the roof lol. You’d be well served reading the Elements of Style (Strunk and White) and rewrite this so that it was clear what you’re trying to say. I’m interested to hear it, really!

I'm guessing you’re trying to say have an open mind and be willing to accept new ideas. Eleven words, one short sentence, vs...eh, I got tired counting lol.

In fairness to Pindac, I do not think English is his first language, although he has never said as much.  My guess is German.

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