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How important is it for you to attain a holographic image?

I’m wondering how many A’goners consider a holographic image a must for them to enjoy their systems?  Also, how many achieve this effect on a majority of recordings?
Is good soundstaging enough, or must a three dimensional image be attained in all cases.  Indeed, is it possible to always achieve it?

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orpheus10
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Piano, they have new tubes that are identical to the NOS Telefunkens. Of course the new tubes are much cheaper. I bought two of the new tubes, and one was bad. When I told them about it, they had another tube on the way before I got off the phone. That was at Tube Depot.

The new tubes sound fantastic; how much better the NOS sound, I don't know. Could you mull that over and get back to me.

I plan to buy 10 tubes, and the difference in price is significant.


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rvpiano OP
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I really can’t say how the new Telefunkens compare to the NOS, but I do know that the NOS made a major difference in my system.  I paid about a hundred or so apiece for them at Brent Jesse, a really good tube purveyor.  Generally less expensive than Tube Depot.
newbee
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Orpheus10, This may be of absolutely no help to you at all, but Telefunken machinery was purchased by EI ('yugos') before the 'war' and they made tubes with the sonic signature of the Tele's. I've used 12AU7A as well as 12AX7a, the latter of which I like a lot, especially the one with the long grey plate.  My experience with the AU is modest.This sonic signature appeared in their 6dj8 as well. Unfortunately they are hard to find but if you do they will likely cost quite a bit less. FWIW.
orpheus10
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Piano, I went to Uncle Kevin at "Upscale" audio, whose price was $349.00


      https://www.upscaleaudio.com/products/telefunken-e88cc-6922

I need both 6922 and 12AU7; now I think I'm going to buy 12AU7. Will go to Brent Jessee and get back to you.
orpheus10
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Piano, Brent Jessee's 6922's are $300. All these Telefunken tubes have the same exact numbers, including the new ones. His 12AU7's are also $300.

Nobody is cheating anybody, it all makes sense; NOS tubes cost more, even when the new and the old were made at the same factory. As best as I can figure it out, someone bought the old factory and began making the identical tubes.

From what I can recall in regard to discussions on these tubes, quality control was better then, even though the tubes look identical.

As I stated, the new tubes are fantastic; one was bad, and they had a good one on it's way before I got off the phone. That was months ago, and now I'm happy with no complaints.

Presently, the new tubes are sold out. Someone would have to buy both and compare to make a determination. Since I don't have the spare cash, it won't be me; I'm going to buy the new ones when they get them in stock.
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