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What do you mean you “heard” the turntable

I don’t get it. Maybe I just don’t have the biological tool set, but I read all the time how someone heard this turntable or that turntable and they comment on how much better or worse it sounded than some other TT, presumably their own or one they are very familiar with. 

Thing is, they are most likely hearing this set up on a completely different system in a completely different environment. So how can they claim it was the TT that made the difference?  The way “synergy“ is espoused around here how can anybody be confident at all considering how interdependent system interactions are. 

Can someone illuminate me?
last_lemming
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oldschool1948
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@chakster Do you think the old Technics tonearm + old wiring and new Technics SL-1200G tonearm + new wiring are equal ?
The fit and finish of the 1200G is far superior to the 1600 and older 1200. The 1200G is also much heavier and solidly built.

Unlike the old 1200, the 1600 was not a DJ table. I purchased my 1600 in 1985 while stationed in Germany for $249. It’s still going strong in my rec room system. The 1200G is in my music listening room. The 1200G’s SQ is in a completely different class.

I think the platter on the new Technics is much better damped, the DD motor is coreless compared to the old inferior motor, footers and the whole plinth are completely different etc
Agreed. I’m quite happy with the 1200G. So far I’ve added a "better" power cord and a Funk Firm Achromat 1200 mat. I just ordered the KAB tonearm damping system. Not sure if I’ll want anything more.
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larry5729
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I don't understand the attraction of vinyl.  Compared to digital, you only hear a fraction of the detail.  I also can't believe you can hear any difference between a $500 turn table verses a $20,000 turn table.  I thought the difference is in the quality of the cartridge.  However, even if you buy the most expensive cartridge, digital is always going to sound better.
tomwh
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The room is 50% of the equation????  Where did that number come from???  I thought your original post was rhetorical but maybe it was not.

Enjoy the ride
Tom
last_lemming OP
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Really? We’re gonna bicker about exact %’s in a subjective context? Audiogon in true fashion. Fine, replace “50%” with “significant” if that makes you feel better.

The point, which should be obvious by the original statement, is the room contributes “significantly” to the speakers sound, so comparing in different rooms could give different presentations.

And the question wasn’t rhetorical, I asked for responses. 
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chakster
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I totally agree about the room impact, in the past 4 years i have moved with my system in 3 different rooms, they are all different size and different shape.

 The sound is different in every room with the same speakers and the same turntables. Now in my own room i can make serious acoustic treatment after i have received the actual acoustic analysis and 3D model of my room from the specialists.

Here is the interesting article, just the basics for everyone.

What i’ve immediately noticed in my room is standing waves. I’m working on acoustic treatment, my thread about it didn’t get much attention.




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