The invention of measurements and perception


This is going to be pretty airy-fairy. Sorry.

Let’s talk about how measurements get invented, and how this limits us.

One of the great works of engineering, science, and data is finding signals in the noise. What matters? Why? How much?

My background is in computer science, and a little in electrical engineering. So the question of what to measure to make systems (audio and computer) "better" is always on my mind.

What’s often missing in measurements is "pleasure" or "satisfaction."

I believe in math. I believe in statistics, but I also understand the limitations. That is, we can measure an attribute, like "interrupts per second" or "inflamatory markers" or Total Harmonic Distortion plus noise (THD+N)

However, measuring them, and understanding outcome and desirability are VERY different. Those companies who can do this excel at creating business value. For instance, like it or not, Bose and Harman excel (in their own ways) at finding this out. What some one will pay for, vs. how low a distortion figure is measured is VERY different.

What is my point?

Specs are good, I like specs, I like measurements, and they keep makers from cheating (more or less) but there must be a link between measurements and listener preferences before we can attribute desirability, listener preference, or economic viability.

What is that link? That link is you. That link is you listening in a chair, free of ideas like price, reviews or buzz. That link is you listening for no one but yourself and buying what you want to listen to the most.

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erik_squires
There have been many authoritative books on the subject of physics and quantum physics of the mind, including but not limited to, The Emperor’s New Mind (sir Roger Penrose) and Mind, Matter and Quantum Mechanics (Henry Stapp).The quantum physics of the human mind can now be demonstrated thanks to the Psyleron Mind Lamp, developed by former members of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) group, including the former head of the Princeton Engineering School. The random nature of the operation of the lamp can be influenced by thoughts of people in the room, making the lamp display colors non randomly. The Mind Lamp from Psyleron demonstrates the power of the mind over matter as well as how the mind interacts with local inanimate objects (mind-matter interaction). Curiously, the lamps have been shown to “communicate” with each other. 😬This all does lead to the observation IMHO that perception is to some degree a result of Mind-Matter interaction, conscious or subconscious. The mind is not so ephemeral as people oft suppose.

http://www.psyleron.com/lamp.html

There is also this for your consideration,

“Quantum mechanical terms are commonly misinterpreted to enable pseudoscience. Phenomena such as nonlocality and the observer effect are vaguely attributed to consciousness, resulting in quantum mysticism. According to Sean Carroll, "No theory in the history of science has been more misused and abused by cranks and charlatans—and misunderstood by people struggling in good faith with difficult ideas."[2] Prominent scientific skeptic Lawrence Krauss also conveyed that "No area of physics stimulates more nonsense in the public arena than quantum mechanics."[3]
kosst_amojan

Clearly we’re able to perceive things that don’t reflect physical phenomenon... Perception, buy nature, doesn’t reflect underlying physical phenomenon. I’m not saying the phenomenon of consciousness and perception cannot be quantified. We haven’t developed the tools, methods, or metrics by which to do it yet. But I’ve got Cleeds up there swearing up and down he CAN do such things, which I think you and I both agree is impossible at this point.
Yes, I will swear up and down that I can accurately measure the temperature of virtually anything on earth. I can scientifically prove there is such a thing as music and with the help of an expert and a spectrophotometer or tristimulus colorimeter, can precisely measure the exact shade of any color you choose. Of course, this conflicts with your closely held religious conviction that you fervently proselytize here:
In the strictest scientific sense, there is no such thing as music, or sound, or color, or hot or cold ...
I can also, scientifically, prove to you that the earth is not flat. It’s very easy to do!
Yet the hand-wringing continues:
This quantification of consciousness is a real problem when it comes to really understanding what all kinds of measurements mean well beyond the characteristics of an amplifier....
It’s a problem for you, and it is of your own creation. But some people enjoy problems, and drama, and preaching to others. So I hope you are having fun!
Audiophiles do seem to often have a fondness for problems.  Sometimes its just never good enough.  Some will make it a hobby forever seeking better sound, never quite sure of what the actual target is.   Most are smarter and figure it out or don't really care that much and find a different hobby.
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