Why not horns?

Atmasphere


My comments on Horns and how they image, poor tonal balance, and poor sizing still stands, I'm not sure why you would mention Duke building speakers which are rear firing, as this has nothing to do with my opinion and suggestions, as many have done so before Duke and many will after .

Look i can understand those that have migrated to the sound of horns, they do it for the power !

less be frank the hi end is froth with really , really bad products , i would easily say 90% of the speakers available to the public is just plain crapola. For years dealers et al have marketed and pushed junk in exchange for big bucks and when the bidniz went A/V , it was easy for most to jump as they were never really happy with their 100K garbage systems.

Horns have allowed many to just enjoy the music from a power perspective , gone were the days when the had to listen to that wimpy sound from their 40K speakers ,playing the same 10 songs that worked over and over. You know those guys , you know the ones with 10 cd's !

There is a lot here to say , but my typing is bad and i'm lazy. I was involved in the audio field for 30 yrs, and with all respect for the parties involved , spare me the condescension of telling me about Duke's speakers, been there done that and a ball of wax...

I can prove all that has been stated, funny how when the weak ones are challenged they resort to personal fire !

I will say again .....

The Horn guys have Challenged before , my good associates at Audio note and Jadis did so 15 yrs ago when i was involved, Less just say i proved my point...

Can you ?

Gawdbless,

I know a reprobate when i see one, Get well soon and many Happies ..

Gawdbless,

I know a reprobate when i see one, sorry about your Head injury, get well soon and many Happies ..

Weseixas - I can't see much value in your opinions. Sorry.

Audio Asylum seems more like an appropriate format for your debating technique. That 30 years in the audio biz has taught you to view the majority of high end audio with an informed cynicism but your "shout louder" approach to discussion keeps me from taking you very seriously.

Ralph wrote: "If you cannot get the [dipole] speaker far enough from the rear wall, the first comment [that dipoles create the required space and time of a recording more accurately than monopoles] is moot. Duke has built systems that are rear-firing and they seem to work fine..."

Weseixas replied: "Atmasphere... You are comparing a monopole to a dipole, they cannot sound alike or have the same presentation and never will... Spare me the condescension of telling me about Duke's speakers, been there done that and a ball of wax..."

Duke chimes in: I think Ralph was saying that if your dipoles are not far enough out into the room, the advantage of dipole radiation is lost. And I agree; in fact, I usually advise people who can't place speakers at least 3.5 feet out into the room to get monopoles instead. Without sufficient time-lag in between the first arrival sound and the arrival of the backwave energy, that strong early reflection is more likely to be a net detriment.

I think Ralph referred to my bipolar horn-type speakers because they are an example of a horn speaker that has radiation characteristics similar to a dipole, and as a result when set up like a dipole, they tend to sound a lot like a dipole. These comments by an Audiogoner who has owned some rather nice dipole and omni speakers (as you will see) backs up this claim.

Weseixas again: "Anyone who says a good planer sounds like a horn or vis a vie has never heard a good planer setup."

What a good horn system and a good planar system have in common is this: They both generate a reverberant field that is spectrally correct (something few cone-n-dome systems accomplish). The relative level of that reverberant field different: With a correctly-setup planar, the reverberant field is considerably stronger relative to the first-arrival sound than for a monopole horn system. One could liken this to sitting in Row 15 versus Row 3. (A good omni is usually more like Row 25.)

Weseixas, your "been there done that" remark about my speakers implies that you've heard them. Which ones, and where, if you don't mind my asking?

Thanks,

Duke