I’m watching this thread with some interest. I agree that contrary to common audio system wisdom, a top-flight cable can make ALL the difference, even in a mid-range system. I have invested in MIT interconnect and speaker cables which are the same cost as my front end, and my amp, and almost as much as my [used] Wilson speakers. (All lower level than items discussed here, but wanted to say ’bingo’ on the importance of cables overall). I remember a review I read several years ago where the guy was using $3,500 MIT/Transparent cables and an $1,000 Acurus (sp?) integrated, and he was getting the best sound he had heard from his speakers and mega-buck separate(s) system previously. Wilson and Magico used to demo with MIT. Ears I trust have also mentioned the Stage III and Jorma as A+.
Stage III Concepts Cables - Any Advice/Feedback/Thoughts is deeply appreciated.
I have a mixed loom of Stage III Concepts Cables on loan to me from a local dealer and need some help.
There is hardly any user/owner/member/end used type of info out there so I wanted to reach out.
Here is what I am demoing now and below is the why...
Stage III Concepts GRYPHON XLR 1.5m Interconnects
Stage III Concepts MAGNUS 3.0m Speaker Cables
Stage III Concepts MINOTAUR 2.0m Power Cable
Stage III Concepts KRAKEN 1.5m Power Cable
Here is the why:
I received my new Magico S5 MK II Speakers 2 weeks ago upgraded from the original S5's.
I wanted to upgrade my pre and amp but was waiting to hear my new S5 MK II's with my present gear first.
Magico S5 MK II Speakers
Pass Labs X250.8 amp
Simaudio Moon Evolution P-8 pre
Bricasti M1SE w/built in ethernet media player
SGC sonicTransporter ethernet Roon server w/Uptone Audio JS-2 LPS
Kubala-Sosna Emotion Full Loom
I loved my new speakers and so sold both my Pass X250.8 amp and my Simaudio P8 pre.
I bought Pass Labs XA-160.8 Monoblocks and was driving them direct with my Bricasti M1SE as pre/dac.
I was happy and while looking for a pre I stumbled into a local guy that had a Soulution 530 Integrated.
I thought you know what lets try it and if I like it then I will sell or trade my Pass mono's for a pre or use 530's preouts.
To make a long story longer I put it in my system and low and behold I like the Pass amps better. Maybe not a huge surprise as Pass gear is killer but then I phoned the local Soulution dealer to pick he brain.
He told me the Pass amps should not sound better with S5 MK II's and it was due to the match of my Kubala-Sosna cables which work great with Pass, ARC, Ayre, Krell, etc. but Soulution is a different animal and needs a different cable. .
I thought OK here we go... Here comes the big old cable sales pitch but to be fair I called him. So I listened.
He loaned me the cables I have listed above to prove what he was saying was true.
You know what happened. Low and behold he was 100% right and they blew my mind. No snake oil but real results.
They sound insane and actually really good with my Pass amps too but the match with Soulution is breath taking...
Now I see why the Soulution amps are darn expensive. They should recommended cables like Spectral and MIT does.
So with so little info out there I wanted to ask for you guys for any and feedback, or opinions.
It is really expensive stuff and sure there is some savings because some is former gen cables and they are demo's but still its really expensive stuff so I just was hoping I could get some more info from you folks.
Sorry for long write up but wanted to share my thoughts and my situation and ask for some help on these.
Thanks
There is hardly any user/owner/member/end used type of info out there so I wanted to reach out.
Here is what I am demoing now and below is the why...
Stage III Concepts GRYPHON XLR 1.5m Interconnects
Stage III Concepts MAGNUS 3.0m Speaker Cables
Stage III Concepts MINOTAUR 2.0m Power Cable
Stage III Concepts KRAKEN 1.5m Power Cable
Here is the why:
I received my new Magico S5 MK II Speakers 2 weeks ago upgraded from the original S5's.
I wanted to upgrade my pre and amp but was waiting to hear my new S5 MK II's with my present gear first.
Magico S5 MK II Speakers
Pass Labs X250.8 amp
Simaudio Moon Evolution P-8 pre
Bricasti M1SE w/built in ethernet media player
SGC sonicTransporter ethernet Roon server w/Uptone Audio JS-2 LPS
Kubala-Sosna Emotion Full Loom
I loved my new speakers and so sold both my Pass X250.8 amp and my Simaudio P8 pre.
I bought Pass Labs XA-160.8 Monoblocks and was driving them direct with my Bricasti M1SE as pre/dac.
I was happy and while looking for a pre I stumbled into a local guy that had a Soulution 530 Integrated.
I thought you know what lets try it and if I like it then I will sell or trade my Pass mono's for a pre or use 530's preouts.
To make a long story longer I put it in my system and low and behold I like the Pass amps better. Maybe not a huge surprise as Pass gear is killer but then I phoned the local Soulution dealer to pick he brain.
He told me the Pass amps should not sound better with S5 MK II's and it was due to the match of my Kubala-Sosna cables which work great with Pass, ARC, Ayre, Krell, etc. but Soulution is a different animal and needs a different cable. .
I thought OK here we go... Here comes the big old cable sales pitch but to be fair I called him. So I listened.
He loaned me the cables I have listed above to prove what he was saying was true.
You know what happened. Low and behold he was 100% right and they blew my mind. No snake oil but real results.
They sound insane and actually really good with my Pass amps too but the match with Soulution is breath taking...
Now I see why the Soulution amps are darn expensive. They should recommended cables like Spectral and MIT does.
So with so little info out there I wanted to ask for you guys for any and feedback, or opinions.
It is really expensive stuff and sure there is some savings because some is former gen cables and they are demo's but still its really expensive stuff so I just was hoping I could get some more info from you folks.
Sorry for long write up but wanted to share my thoughts and my situation and ask for some help on these.
Thanks
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Yes, I forgot to mention Jorma from Sweden. Never heard it, though, popular with Jadis and Vitus owners if I remember right. I have twenty years old Redgun RGi120 integrated, that retailed for I think $1350 at the time. It took Purist Dominus Revision B Ferox power cord, which is probably about the same age and retailed for over $2k, to make it sound as it can. I also heard that Dominus works great with Gryphons and many tube amps too so it will probably stay with me forever. I was less impressed with it on my Acoustech phono and CEC belt drive cd player, though it was still better in all respects than CPCC Top Gun. Top Gun is very good for source components. |
fsmithjack Thank You for sharing information regarding your talk with Soulution/Stage III Concepts featuring Brian Ackerman. He is an Audiophile at heart. There is quite a difference in cabling made by hand vs. the mass produced offerings as the discussion revealed. I look forward in reading more about the gear chosen for your system. Happy Listening! |
Oops - just sold my last pair of 2M Kubala-Sosna Emotion XLR IC’s but I’m still using the K/S E SC’s. Now i needs me a pair of IC’s.... lol Think those S3C Gryphon 1M are calling my name. I moved my Soulution 530 inside my Solid Tech Rack via the bottom shelf via a SRA Platform so I can use a shorter IC now. I have the 1.5M’s on loan but think I’ll save $$ and go with the 1M. I made the mistake of spending 3/4 happy days using my K/S E IC’s and was happy as can be until I plugged the Gryphon IC’s back in and was darnit - need now need to keep these! Couple pics of my rig starting to settle in. https://www.flickr.com/gp/35630112@N05/k49531 https://www.flickr.com/gp/35630112@N05/6Mq9p6 https://www.flickr.com/gp/35630112@N05/9660V0 https://www.flickr.com/gp/35630112@N05/x13Nd9 https://www.flickr.com/gp/35630112@N05/J3C386 |
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