I couldn’t convince myself to buy the 9h even at the sale prices. Instead I bought a used pair of DSP8000’s. The correction available from the speakers is limited in comparison to what the 9h offers, but is clearly useful and the more popular user adjustable speakers become hopefully the more available and cheaper. Not set and forgot, but adjusting on the fly for different recordings is really easy to get used to and I hope paradigm extends arc to more models
Paradigm Persona series
I'm beginning to poke around and gather opinions and information about a "super speaker" to replace my aging Thiel 2.4s. I like the idea of bass dsp room correction and I am a bit of a point source type imaging nut (thus the Thiels). So among other choices I've been looking at the Paradigm Persona series specifically the powered 9H with room correction for the bass. However I'm skeptical of the "lenses" i.e. pierced metal covers on the midrange and tweeter specifically because of Paradigm's claim that such screens "screen out" "out of phase" musical information. The technology in the design seems superlative but I just can't get past the claim re out of phase information and the midrange and tweeter covers. What could possibly be the science behind this claim? It just seems like its putting a halloween moustache on the mona lisa given the fact that the company is generally a technology driven company.
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contuzzi: Most of the stuff is here: https://open.qobuz.com/playlist/2171605 hi-res versions. Two things missing: Bonus track on Joey Alexander's "Countdown", called "Freedom Dance", and Bantock's Celtic Symphony (Hyperion). Neither are on Qobuz. https://www.amazon.com/Bantock-Celtic-Symphony-Reivers-Hebridean/dp/B000002ZOF https://www.prostudiomasters.com/search?cs=1&q=countdown#quickview/album/15096 (bonus track seems to have disappeared) |
So I decided to give up on the Persona 9Hs and they're going back. I do think alot of technology went into this speaker and I think part of the problem might be my room. They certainly do alot of things right but I just found myself having to do too much to accommodate what I felt were flaws in the speaker and it never sounded quite right on large orchestral music which is the vast bulk of what I listen to. I'm going with Magnepan 20.7s. |
Pwinson, the Maggies have an entirely different set of issues. The Personas do require the right matching equipment and some care in setup, it is entirely possible that your room and matching gear wasn't right. We had some trade in Maggie's here and they suffer from a number of different issues: 1: The soundstage is big but very diffusive 2: Image size if too large for smaller ensemble groups and singers the Maggies make the people appear too large 2: Dynamics aren't very good 3: Bass response isn't that tight and deep and matching with subwoofers doesnt eleviate the dynamics issues unless you roll off the bass to the panel. 4: They don't play that loud 5: They are very inefficient. Get a pair of Kef Blades they are less bright then the Personas and a bit more forgiving, the midrange is spot on for classical, they have fanastic punchy bass, and they play loud. Ask Brownsf and his threads we tuned for him a set of Ref 5 and he is 99% classical and his system sounds spot on like you are in front of a large orchestra. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ Kef, Paradigm Persona dealers |
Thanks for the advice but I've had Magnepans before so I'm aware that you give up a little in pin-point imaging and get slightly more diffuse images of individual instruments. I think the 20.7 and 30.7s are different animals when it comes to bass though. Its tight and deep. And I'm surprised that the image localization is frankly very very good. So the 20.7s and 30.7s are in a different ballpark I believe than previous Magnepans. They also will play sustained 95 db peaks/brief peaks to 105db, which is as loud as I will ever want them to play, and thats with a Pass 150.8. I thought I would need to go to the 250.8 but Kent at Pass said he thought the 150.8 would be fine. On the loudest peaks occasionally I get a needle on the front panel at 12 o'clock on the 150.8 but as Kent explained the amp even them is pretty much loafing along and the amp won't clip until it hits the hard right stop at about 4 o'clock. I think the Pass is helping with image localization on these speakers and is a good match. I haven't yet tried the other amp I have on them (the Aesthetix Atlas). So I'm a happy camper. |
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