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Vibratory or Not?

This is a discussion that for me began on the Stereophile forum which went horribly wrong in my opinion. I was wondering though if this same topic could be discussed here as it comes up a lot in one form or another. My background has been about vibratory tuning as far back as the 70's work in the recording industry and continued into home audio and beyond. The audio signal is one that can be easily tuned, I doubt there is much room there for debate, but we will see, it's Audiogon after all. This being the case I have always concluded that the audio signal is vibratory so has anyone I have ever worked with. It's a common and sometimes even daily practice for someone here to make a vibratory adjustment changing the sound which is obvious to all.

On some of these forum threads however you will see posts saying to get rid of the vibration, without any explanation as to how to remove vibration without altering the audio signal. Every vibratory move I have ever seen done changes the performance of the sound. I've also been a part of the variables of the audio signal during play in real time. If the audio signal is not vibratory how does it change?

I invite you to discuss the vibratory structure and nature of the audio signal.

thanks, lets keep trolling to a minimum please

michaelgreenaudio
glupson
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flapjack,

You are definitely right and shape of one's ears must account for something. That, along with those few things I mentioned, is almost never, if ever, mentioned here (Audiogon). In this particular thread, chatting about vibrations, controlling/affecting those parameters may yield significant change. It may not always be practical, but this is a theoretical discussion anyway.


I suspect that having chronically thickened sinus mucosa affects vibrations, and consequently perception of sound, much more than some fancy wood cable elevators or inflated hoses placed strategically under the equipment. Those effects are, in fact, widely known and accepted. Widely minus one (geoffkait).

glupson
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geoffkait,


"Glubson, you realize there’s a very thin line between being stupid and pretending to be stupid, don’t you?"

Look what I have learned in this thread and what may apply to your understanding of what I wrote earlier...


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  1. a state of happiness based on a person’s not knowing about or denying the existence of potential trouble.
flapjack
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geoffkait,

" can I suggest amending your post to say something to the effect that the size of the brain determines what individuals hear? "

I cannot agree more. It's a well known fact that birds of prey have amazing hearing using a brain the size of a small walnut.
I'm almost sure they can detect all sorts of vibratory shenanigans 
going on around them. Once again you've hit the nail on the head. 
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michaelgreenaudio OP
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Some of your fellow members would disagree inna. According to the emails I have been getting many readers seem to think this is one of the most sensible threads on Agon of all time. Do you know how many people in HEA believe the brand and model is what makes the sound and hadn’t a clue this is all vibration?

As with other threads that get into areas of how things work let this one take wings and see how it develops. Also keep in mind, as this thread develops here there is another that covers the science over on TuneLand that links to here so people can read how the Agoners respond when they read the topics of audio. An interesting little study between fact and real time Agon reactions. I've been doing this with several of the Agon threads over the past 2 years and it's amazing how different the two universes are.

MG

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michaelgreenaudio OP
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This thread has a long way to go (hopefully lol) and when we get into all the Vibrations you are going to be surprised (or maybe not) to find that the hobby side of this industry is made up of mostly marketing and talk without really getting to the core of audio, sound, the variables and us as listeners.

For example, do you know how many people do not know what the audio signal is and how simple of a science it is, yet how much info recordings have? Many don't know that the audio signal is a variable that can be tuned. The interest in equalization and room correction devices are starting to bring the awareness back but we are just getting started to let ourselves explore a world beyond overbuilt pricey systems that only deliver one sound, unless you change out components when you play every recording.

Vibratory, or as audionuttoo says use your own word that means vibratory, encompasses all of audio and that means there is a core to all this.

MG

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