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Vibratory or Not?

This is a discussion that for me began on the Stereophile forum which went horribly wrong in my opinion. I was wondering though if this same topic could be discussed here as it comes up a lot in one form or another. My background has been about vibratory tuning as far back as the 70's work in the recording industry and continued into home audio and beyond. The audio signal is one that can be easily tuned, I doubt there is much room there for debate, but we will see, it's Audiogon after all. This being the case I have always concluded that the audio signal is vibratory so has anyone I have ever worked with. It's a common and sometimes even daily practice for someone here to make a vibratory adjustment changing the sound which is obvious to all.

On some of these forum threads however you will see posts saying to get rid of the vibration, without any explanation as to how to remove vibration without altering the audio signal. Every vibratory move I have ever seen done changes the performance of the sound. I've also been a part of the variables of the audio signal during play in real time. If the audio signal is not vibratory how does it change?

I invite you to discuss the vibratory structure and nature of the audio signal.

thanks, lets keep trolling to a minimum please

michaelgreenaudio
flapjack
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geoffkait,

" can I suggest amending your post to say something to the effect that the size of the brain determines what individuals hear? "

I cannot agree more. It's a well known fact that birds of prey have amazing hearing using a brain the size of a small walnut.
I'm almost sure they can detect all sorts of vibratory shenanigans 
going on around them. Once again you've hit the nail on the head. 
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michaelgreenaudio OP
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Some of your fellow members would disagree inna. According to the emails I have been getting many readers seem to think this is one of the most sensible threads on Agon of all time. Do you know how many people in HEA believe the brand and model is what makes the sound and hadn’t a clue this is all vibration?

As with other threads that get into areas of how things work let this one take wings and see how it develops. Also keep in mind, as this thread develops here there is another that covers the science over on TuneLand that links to here so people can read how the Agoners respond when they read the topics of audio. An interesting little study between fact and real time Agon reactions. I've been doing this with several of the Agon threads over the past 2 years and it's amazing how different the two universes are.

MG

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michaelgreenaudio OP
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This thread has a long way to go (hopefully lol) and when we get into all the Vibrations you are going to be surprised (or maybe not) to find that the hobby side of this industry is made up of mostly marketing and talk without really getting to the core of audio, sound, the variables and us as listeners.

For example, do you know how many people do not know what the audio signal is and how simple of a science it is, yet how much info recordings have? Many don't know that the audio signal is a variable that can be tuned. The interest in equalization and room correction devices are starting to bring the awareness back but we are just getting started to let ourselves explore a world beyond overbuilt pricey systems that only deliver one sound, unless you change out components when you play every recording.

Vibratory, or as audionuttoo says use your own word that means vibratory, encompasses all of audio and that means there is a core to all this.

MG

glupson
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"...and how simple of a science it is..."

Ooooopsie, not so fast.


Practice may be simple (although I doubt that, too), but science behind it may not be so.

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Glupson, I’m glad you’re here on this thread and hope you can stay on point without straying to far into troll BaitLand. One thing I have learned about trollish types is that they seem a little bi-polar in their posting ranging from all out angry men to adding some valuable info adds to the conversations. When actually contributing I like when they are around, that’s why sometimes I respond to them and other times ignore.

Saying this, you have been a good counterbalance to the trolling on this thread. I hope you have the energy, thick skin and wisdom.

That aside, I’m also glad you have brought the brain into the thread. Do you know how many HEA audiophiles are scared to death to bring the brain and body variables into their hobby? It’s huge! HEA has pushed brands, models and price-tags for so long it has developed a big insecurity problem. In fact so big that it uses measurements over feeling, hearing, seeing and all the senses available to us.

You are also correct that these topics may be a science breeze for me and the Tunees, but that's because we have In-room tunable systems playing daily and we are right in the middle of constant variable explore mode. I don't expect that most go that deep, but it's still important for those who do go to the extremes to be here.

MG

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