Vibratory or Not?

Some of your fellow members would disagree inna. According to the emails I have been getting many readers seem to think this is one of the most sensible threads on Agon of all time. Do you know how many people in HEA believe the brand and model is what makes the sound and hadn’t a clue this is all vibration?

As with other threads that get into areas of how things work let this one take wings and see how it develops. Also keep in mind, as this thread develops here there is another that covers the science over on TuneLand that links to here so people can read how the Agoners respond when they read the topics of audio. An interesting little study between fact and real time Agon reactions. I've been doing this with several of the Agon threads over the past 2 years and it's amazing how different the two universes are.

MG

This thread has a long way to go (hopefully lol) and when we get into all the Vibrations you are going to be surprised (or maybe not) to find that the hobby side of this industry is made up of mostly marketing and talk without really getting to the core of audio, sound, the variables and us as listeners.

For example, do you know how many people do not know what the audio signal is and how simple of a science it is, yet how much info recordings have? Many don't know that the audio signal is a variable that can be tuned. The interest in equalization and room correction devices are starting to bring the awareness back but we are just getting started to let ourselves explore a world beyond overbuilt pricey systems that only deliver one sound, unless you change out components when you play every recording.

Vibratory, or as audionuttoo says use your own word that means vibratory, encompasses all of audio and that means there is a core to all this.

MG

"...and how simple of a science it is..."

Ooooopsie, not so fast.

Practice may be simple (although I doubt that, too), but science behind it may not be so.

Glupson, I’m glad you’re here on this thread and hope you can stay on point without straying to far into troll BaitLand. One thing I have learned about trollish types is that they seem a little bi-polar in their posting ranging from all out angry men to adding some valuable info adds to the conversations. When actually contributing I like when they are around, that’s why sometimes I respond to them and other times ignore.

Saying this, you have been a good counterbalance to the trolling on this thread. I hope you have the energy, thick skin and wisdom.

That aside, I’m also glad you have brought the brain into the thread. Do you know how many HEA audiophiles are scared to death to bring the brain and body variables into their hobby? It’s huge! HEA has pushed brands, models and price-tags for so long it has developed a big insecurity problem. In fact so big that it uses measurements over feeling, hearing, seeing and all the senses available to us.

You are also correct that these topics may be a science breeze for me and the Tunees, but that's because we have In-room tunable systems playing daily and we are right in the middle of constant variable explore mode. I don't expect that most go that deep, but it's still important for those who do go to the extremes to be here.

MG

michaelgreen,

People may be more inclined to change their gear than their brain simply because it is easier to change an amplifier.

At the same time, I was not trying to bring the brain into this discussion (geoffkait did that). I stayed firmly planted in the vibratory realm. You might have confused us and expected different approach.

That inaccuracy out of the way, one thing I have learned over time is that every time I thought something was simple it was more likely due to my inadequate knowledge and understanding. Science of sound is anything but simple, no matter how smart or knowledgeable you, me, or the third person may be. Of course, when it comes to practical applications, you may be way more experienced, quicker, and successful than many, but, again, science behind it is not simple. Do not confuse those two.

My mentioning of the head was actually aimed at various effects it has on vibrations reaching it and effects that vibrations reaching it have on head. Aside of bony structures and soft tissues, I was, silently, focusing my thoughts on airway passages and sinuses.

That is not to say that brain is not involved in the whole story and someone may add thoughts about brain/vibration effects.

One thing I have learned about types who use word "troll" is that they resort to it when losing ground and getting frustrated with their own inability to provide logical arguments. In some way, using word "troll" catapults a person into being a troll.

Do not do it. It takes the credibility away in an instant.