Isolation Transformers


I bought an isolation transformer from a fellow selling his home audio gear about a year or so ago. It’s a 12” cube that weighs roughly 60 lbs and has 8 plugs in the back. It was apparently used in a hospital. 
I have most of my gear including a tube preamp plugged into it mostly for protection purposes. It puts out a constant 124v which is a few more than what I get directly from the wall socket.
Anyone else using this sort of device as a “power conditioner” and what are the pros and cons of using one? I’m guessing delivering a constant voltage (almost) regardless of the load is the main advantage of this type of device but am wondering if it impedes full current delivery at high amplifier loads. Thanks. 
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whart

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04-10-2019 9:42pm

I have used isolation transformers in a variety of settings. One, an old 240/120 step down made by Richard Gray for a big home theatre system- the system itself is long gone- was the only thing that would fully isolate a nasty electrical snap from the air compressor motor that energizes one of my tone arms. I now have a better electrical set up and a dedicated line wired to the regular house main electrical system set up for 20 amps for the air compressor. I use one of those Tripplite 1800 watt jobs. In speaking with the tech at Tripplite before I bought it, the secondary is bonded, it is not really floating. There’s at least one reference to this that I saw on the web, so I am not sure their claim of ’medical grade’ is fully accurate, at least insofar as a floating ground on the secondary.
Hi Bill,

The Richard Gray PDU (Power Distribution Unit) is wired as a "Grounded Power System". The neutral leg, lead, of the secondary winding is intentionally bonded to ground, as well to the metal enclosure of the unit. All equipment grounding conductors from the power outlets connect to this common point. Star grounding.

It also sounds like the secondary winding of the Tripplite 1800 isolation transformer is also wired as a Grounded Power System.

Your 10Kva isolation power transformer secondary winding is also wired as a Grounded Power System.



Below are two isolation transformers.

The first one floats the secondary winding above ground. Neither ungrounded conductor has any reference to ground. It doesn’t have any reference to the equipment ground contact on the receptacle outlet either.
The second example bonds one of the secondary legs to ground making it the grounded conductor, the neutral conductor.

Isolated Power System
  • Offers line isolation and continuous noise filtering
  • Internal low-impedance isolation transformer with Faraday shield offers 100% isolation from the input AC line
  • Full UL 60601-1 medical-grade listing with hospital-grade plug and outlet receptacles for the protection of sensitive electronic equipment in patient-care areas
  • Reduces cumulative leakage current of the Isolator and connected equipment to levels less than 100 μA

  • Floating AC output prevents noise coupling from noisy hospital ground circuits and meets agency requirements
  • https://www.tripplite.com/isolator-series-120v-1000w-ul60601-1-medical-grade-isolation-transformer-4...




    Grounded Power System
  • Tripp Lite Isolator series isolation transformer-based power conditioners offer complete line isolation, continuous noise filtering and enhanced common mode surge suppression
  • Supports combined loads up to 1000 watts continuous/8.3A at 120V
  • Isolation transformer with Faraday Shield offers 100% isolation from the input AC line

  • Neutral to ground bonding at the secondary eliminates common mode noise and provides an isolated ground reference for sensitive equipment

  • https://www.tripplite.com/isolator-series-120v-1000w-isolation-transformer-based-power-conditioner-4...

    Jim

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    Hey, Jim. I don’t disagree with anything you said, and you know a whole lot more about this than me, but the Tripplites that are hospital grade, such as the one I bought, the 1800HG claim hospital grade receptacles and talk about a floating ground (actually, ’floating AC output’) if you go to the Tripplite website. See
    https://www.tripplite.com/isolator-series-120v-1800w-ul60601-1-medical-grade-isolation-transformer-6...
    Yet the data sheet says: "

    "Secondary neutral to ground bonding eliminates common mode noise, providing an isolated ground reference for sensitive equipment and an inexpensive alternative to the installation of dedicated circuits and site electrical upgrades." https://datasheet.octopart.com/IS1800HG-Tripp-Lite-datasheet-86786.pdf

    Here’s the most current one being used for sale of the unit, says the same thing: https://datasheet.octopart.com/IS1800HG-Tripp-Lite-datasheet-8508521.pdf

    (FWIW, the power switch/breaker on current production is not the green illuminated style but the black more enclosed breaker).

    These are the same units being referred to as far as I can tell, based on model number. And that was borne out by my call with Tripplite tech before I bought the unit. In other words, the claims that the unit has a floating output (interchangeable terminology with ground?) are not borne out by the data sheet or my conversation with the manufacturer and the unit fits into what you described as a grounded system . Am I missing something obvious here? (Not being snarky)



    Thanks for all the responses. Its technically a medical grade isolation line conditioner, an older version of this unit from TSi Power. They seem to use the term isolation transformer interchangeably.
    http://www.tsipower.com/products/isolation-line-conditioners/indoor-isolation-line-conditioners

    Looks like they only sell commercially.
    I would think your isolation transformer would clean some of the grunge from the AC which would in return give you a darker background allowing you to hear more details within the music and perhaps deeper bass, provided you don’t overtax its rating. That’s what I experienced with my Xentek Extream Isolation Transformer (5 Kva) and weighed at least 100 pounds maybe more.
    but the Tripplites that are hospital grade, such as the one I bought, the 1800HG claim hospital grade receptacles and talk about a floating ground (actually, ’floating AC output’) if you go to the Tripplite website. See
    https://www.tripplite.com/isolator-series-120v-1800w-ul60601-1-medical-grade-isolation-transformer-6...

    Bill, (whart),
    An "Isolated Power System" does not float the ground. The output of the secondary winding floats above, (not electrically connected), the ground.

    In the case of a plug and play "Isolated Power System" wired isolation transformer the wall outlet equipment ground is used for grounding of the metal enclosure of the transformer and is also connected to the equipment ground contact on the power output receptacle outlets. The floating output of the secondary winding does not have any reference whats so ever to the AC mains power equipment ground.


    (Note: Same holds true for a hard wired Isolated Power System. Difference is with an Approved hard wired Isolated Power System the system is required by NEC code to have a monitor device that warns the trained qualified personnel when/if a ungrounded conductor of the system faults to ground. Trust me this feature is a must!)




    From the link you provided.
    https://www.tripplite.com/isolator-series-120v-1800w-ul60601-1-medical-grade-isolation-transformer-6....
  • Complete line isolation and noise filtering
  • Hospital-grade plug and receptacles
  • Lowers cumulative leakage current of connected equipment to under 100μA

  • Floating AC output prevents noise coupling

  • Features
    • Offers line isolation and continuous noise filtering
    • Internal low-impedance isolation transformer with Faraday shield offers 100% isolation from the input AC line
    • Full UL 60601-1 medical-grade listing with hospital-grade plug and outlet receptacles for the protection of sensitive electronic equipment in patient-care areas
    • Reduces cumulative leakage current of the Isolator and connected equipment to levels less than 100 μA

    • Floating AC output prevents noise coupling from noisy hospital ground circuits and meets agency requirements

    Whart said:

    Here’s the most current one being used for sale of the unit, says the same thing: https://datasheet.octopart.com/IS1800HG-Tripp-Lite-datasheet-8508521.pdf

    The unit is wired as a Grounded Power System.
    From the Link:
    "Secondary neutral-to-ground bonding virtually eliminates common mode noise, providing an isolated neutral-groundreference for sensitive equipment, and an inexpensive alternative to dedicated circuits and site electrical upgrades."

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    https://datasheet.octopart.com/IS1800HG-Tripp-Lite-datasheet-86786.pdf
    "Secondary neutral to ground bonding eliminates common mode noise, providing an isolated ground reference for sensitive equipment and an inexpensive alternative to the installation of dedicated circuits and site electrical upgrades.

    To me that says in the field (site) the Isolated Power Power System can easily be wired as a Grounded Power System. Which is true. A bonding jumper is installed from the secondary neutral conductor to the metal enclosure of the transformer.

    Bill, probably the easiest way to find out if the unit is wired as an "Isolated Power System" or a "Grounded Power System" is with a plug in AC circuit/polarity tester.
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Power-Gear-3-Wire-Receptacle-Tester-50542/206212329?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CG%...

    If the unit is wired as an Isolated Power System the tester will indicate an "OPEN GROUND". It may also indicate something else because the neutral is floating, I can’t remember for sure.

    If the unit is wired as a Grounded Power System the tester will indicate "CORRECT"

    Cheers,    
    Jim
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