Trying to reduce noise while listening to tube phono


Let me start by staying that I'm in love with how my system sounds right now. Hagerman Trumpet and Decca London Super Gold (paratrace stylus) is a ridiculously good combo. The only "but" is that if I raise the level to 3 o'clock on the preamp (Herron) I start to get tube hiss... or some hiss from somewhere. It used to be worse but then I got all new very low noise tubes and it improved a ton but I want to see if I reduce it some more. I'm wondering if the issue is the amount of gain on my preamp? Should I try another preamp with more gain and see if that solves the problem? On other inputs there's no hiss even at full volume so there's nothing technically wrong with preamp.
dhcod
I've had similar experience since going from an old ARC PH3SE to the new Herron last year. Keith assures me its not the Herron and I believe him. Especially since the noise definitely does change when I mess with the phono leads. Not sure why its more of a problem with the Herron than it was with the ARC. But it does reinforce my experience with phono stages which is that even the best of them are the most temperamental and idiosyncratic of all components. With the possible exception of step-up transformers!

In my case, while the noise definitely is a lot more than I get from any other input still it is just barely at audible level from the listening chair and in any case less than groove noise from all but a few of the most silent pressings. Which is why in the big scheme of things it is way down on my list of things to work on.

Early on it was much worse though. So it is probably something you can reduce if its that big a priority. 

Things that helped for me, including some suggested by Keith:

Clean everything with alcohol. Just plain alcohol and a clean cloth. No contact conditioners.

Experiment with phono lead routing. Sometimes they like being together, sometimes apart, and sometimes even a small change makes a difference. I use Scotch tape once I get them where I want.

You can make your own shielding from battery grounding strap. Its actually a mesh tube that can be slid right over the interconnect. If you think this might help you can test it out first by wrapping aluminum foil, just tear into strips and wrap, being sure to go all the way to the end of the RCA.

RFI could be a problem, anything could be the source, flip off breakers to everything, unplug everything, then reconnect/power on one thing at a time. 

Static electricity is a problem. Mine isn't bad enough to make white noise but it definitely affects the sound. Static-Guard anti-static spray for laundry works great. $3 at Walmart. Don't spray right over a record but do waft it around the turntable and over all cables. Do it right before playing a side.

When I did all this stuff and still had a problem my last ditch effort was to replace the RCAs. Went to solder new ones and it turned out there was a bad solder connection! Not likely what you have but you get the idea, all you can do is check and check and check until you find it.



Experiment with phono lead routing. Sometimes they like being together, sometimes apart, and sometimes even a small change makes a difference. I use Scotch tape once I get them where I want.


This has already worked. I use a wall shelf for my TT and I'm guessing that the lead was picking up noise from the power line inside the wall. When I moved the lead away from it, the noise reduced by 50%. Not completely gone but now way below the threshold of the music. Thanks again!
dhcod you did the right thing getting the low nose tubes. Assuming they are the lowest noise tubes you can get that is as good as it is going to get with that phono preamp. It is called tube rush. Your preamp is fine.
This is much different than a hum which can be caused by a lot of different things. I'm sure once you put the needle down you can't hear it.
As the background noise of vinyl greatly exceeds the noise of even noisy phono stages.