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Kimber 12tc incompatibility with ayre my-r twenty

I  am having a problem I have been trying to figure out for the last month . I think I have an answer now . I would like to know if anyone has had any similar experience .
i recently upgraded from an all parasound system with jc-1 , jc-2 , jc-3 to an all ayre stack with kx-r twenty , mx-r twenty, Qx-5 twenty, px-5 and cx-5. I retained all the kimber cables and speakers kef blade 2 speakers that I had.
The sound was phenomenal, so romantic so clean , amazing vocals , so powerful at the same time . I loved it, gave me goosebumps.
But the power amp would turn off to standby when I played it real loud .
i reached out to ayre. They have the best customer service in the entire audio business. Amazing group of people who love music and their products and stand behind their products. We tried a lot of trouble shooting and finally figured it was the kimber 12tc speaker cable as the culprit. With cheap Best Buy speaker cables the system functions flawlessly. They felt it had to do with high frequency oscillation or rf as the cables are not well shielded.
has anyone had similar experiences
I have reached out to kimber to get their input.
thank you .

newtoncr
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audiotroy
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Gdnrbob,

No. what works on Vandys does not work on Blades.

The Blades are much more detailed with a greater emphasis on a clear midrange and extended top. Most Vandys sound distinctly soft on the top with a much  greater emphasis on warmth in the midrange .

The AQ cables work well with Vandy because the AQ cables tend to focus more on top end clarity, this is a horrible mismatch with Ayre which tends towards neutraility, and a pair of Kef Blades

We have done comparisions of the AQ Element series on the KEF vs the Wireworld cables and the Wireworlds sounded way better on that pairing.

Vandy/Ayre/AQ works because the speakers are very different sounding.

Each setup must work witth Synergy you can’t just substitute one item and hope that the voicing will still work.


Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ Kef and Wireworld dealers
newtoncr OP
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I talked with cardas , ayre, kimber  and kef .
kimber said this is a problem they have seen with many amps and that they can reconfigure their cable and custom make one with low capacitance. They told me about a carbon cable they are gonna introduce .
The  awesome guys from ayre called cardas themselves and talked to them  and explained the problem with the length and capacitance issue . Cardas recommended clear reflection internal biwired configuration 30 ft  as an ideal capacitance  load for the amp and tonal balance match for the blade 2 speaker.

Thats where I am will decide soon 
A great thank you to ayre for their customer support . If anyone wants to buy a product and know for sure you will have 💯 % support that’s ayre acoustics . Greatest company I have worked with . Gary is always available to help . 
Thanks everyone for your input and looking for more advice 
newton


newtoncr OP
151 posts
 
I talked with cardas , ayre, kimber  and kef .
kimber said this is a problem they have seen with many amps and that they can reconfigure their cable and custom make one with low capacitance. They told me about a carbon cable they are gonna introduce .
The  awesome guys from ayre called cardas themselves and talked to them  and explained the problem with the length and capacitance issue . Cardas recommended clear reflection internal biwired configuration 30 ft  as an ideal capacitance  load for the amp and tonal balance match for the blade 2 speaker.

Thats where I am will decide soon 
A great thank you to ayre for their customer support . If anyone wants to buy a product and know for sure you will have 💯 % support that’s ayre acoustics . Greatest company I have worked with . Gary is always available to help . 
Thanks everyone for your input and looking for more advice 
newton


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almarg
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Cardas recommended clear reflection internal biwired configuration 30 ft as an ideal capacitance load for the amp and tonal balance match for the blade 2 speaker.... looking for more advice

Electrical parameters aren’t specified for Clear Reflection at the Cardas site, but what leads me to question that recommendation is that generally speaking I would expect a biwired cable to present approximately twice as much capacitance to the amplifier as a similar non-biwired cable. And possibly somewhat more than that in the case of an internal biwire, depending on its construction.

Although in looking at pricing for the cable at The Cable Company site it appears that while a 30 foot length of that cable will cost around $8K for a stereo pair, specifying "biwire" appears to add only $200 to the price, and that is regardless of length. Which leaves me puzzled as to what the difference is between the biwired and non-biwired versions of that cable. Or would the approximately $8K + $200 be multiplied by 2 for a stereo pair of biwired cables, bringing the total to around $16K? That doesn’t seem "clear," pun intended :-)

Regards,
-- Al
gdnrbob
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@audiotroy ,
Sorry, but I respectfully disagree.
Given the vast spectrum of AQ cables, I think judging the Element series and not the others, is a disservice to AQ.
If the KEF Blades have such an extended 'top', I would be afraid of listener fatigue after an hour or two.
@OP,
I would contact AQ and get their take on this. And, yes, they do answer the phone.
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