Ingress Audio Engineering


I recently discovered the benefits of isolation. Don't know how many of you are familiar with Barry Diament's  recommendations for his hip joints. The recommendation for the economical DIY set up worked well for my stereo; (lightly inflated bike innertubes, wooden egg holders supporting stainless steel balls).

http://www.barrydiamentaudio.com/vibration.htm

A month ago I bought Isoacoustic Oreo's. 3 per component (weight appropriate) and was very impressed...at first. After several days of settling my music sounded dull and lifeless. I reread the optimal weight recommendations, re-calibrated weight limits with temporary improvements. To my disappointment I realized the Oreo's could only be compressed (especially after the suction seal was formed between them and the component or platform the component sat on). Sure they rocked in all directions, but they didn't glide in all directions. Only horizontal isolation was taking place so I coupled the Oreo's with Barry's economic hip joints which has greatly improved the SQ. I'm loving it but I still feel there's room for improvement. Mainly because I own the Hfiman HE-6SE HP's and I run them through my power amp's speaker taps. So I want Barry's upgraded hip joints under my amp. I'm interested in Ingress Audio's vibration isolation rollerblocks.

http://www.ingress-engineering.ca/products-and-services.php
I've looked up info about their level 2's and 3's but specifics on their differences aren't given. I know Barry says the blocks should be machined smooth to a certain degree. I left a message with Ingress, but I'm impatient and wondering if perhaps the level 2's aren't as smooth as the 3's. The smoother, the greater the improvements. My question is does anyone know the differences between their Level 2 and Level 3 rollerblocks?
mewsickbuff
Thanks a lot everyone for your input. I've ordered 4 sets of the level 3's.

Barry said, "In fact, outside of digital gear, they may make the largest difference when placed under speakers.  When I first tried them under my Magnepans I said that by comparison, having the speakers on the floor was to have them “bound and gagged.”

Which components did you guys isolate 1st, 2nd, etc.?
The physics of roller bearings, pt. 1

The reason vibration isolation is important is that low frequency vibration and forces related to that vibration affects the audio signal, including but not limited to the wiring in the wall, the wall outlets, the wall plates and the wall itself, wire in cables and power cords, internal wiring and electronic elements in the components and speakers. The audio signal itself is not (rpt not) a vibration per se or at least it SHOULD NOT BE but is affected by forces F of external vibration. Like magnetic field lines on a magnet are affected by rapidly moving the magnet manually.

The entire building is subjected to continuous seismic waves that are produced by many things including Earth crust motion, wave action on shore lines, trucks, buses, subways, cars, construction, footfall, wind. The entire building is forced to move in many directions. Seismic waves have six directions of motion, including three rotational directions. The horizontal plane x-z represents the other two directions 🔛, vertical y is the sixth direction 🔝. The three rotational directions are around the x, y and z axes. 

The analogy to seismic waves and its influence on a building and everything inside the building is a boat ⛵️on the ocean when a waves in one direction passes under it. The boat moves vertically, sideways and also rotates back and forth as the wave passes under it. Waves in other directions affect the boat similarly but the boat moves in different directions according to the direction of the other waves. In order to reduce or eliminate forces F that seismic waves produce on the audio signal the entire audio system should be isolated, decoupled from the building. An object will remain at rest unless acted on by an external force. I’m disregarding acoustic waves in the room for this part of the explanation.

Roller bearings are interesting because they are capable of isolating the component in several directions of motion, low in cost, depending on how the roller bearings are designed. The most simple design is a cup with a flat bottom that has small diameter base so the ball can not move very far. Three of these roller bearing assemblies will provide good isolation in the horizontal plane and in the twist rotational direction around the vertical y axis. If the cup is concave the component can be isolated against forces in the other two rotational directions. The roller bearings are not effective in the vertical direction, well, perhaps a bit, never say never. The vertical direction can be easily handled by springs, very effective in the vertical.

Materials for the cup and bearing should be chosen with the goal of keeping friction very low, I.e., smooth very hard surfaces.
I's still waiting for the same responses I got when I brought up Ingress Audio on another thread some time ago. A couple of posters claimed whatever sat on the bearings would roll right off and couldn't believe it would work. 

All the best,
Nonoise
I've ordered 4 sets of the level 3's.

Great!!!   @mewsickbuff

Which components did you guys isolate 1st, 2nd, etc.?

I follow the upstream first formula since it affects everything downstream.

Power > Source > DAC > Preamp (since you picked up 4 sets)

If you picked up 2 sets for your speakers then: Source > DAC
@ nonoise, for any statement made, there will be critics AND supporters. Music and the hobby of trying to make the SQ the best we can, with the means we have, is a SUBJECTIVE experience. These forums introduce and educate in areas we may never have thought about. A while back, I sat my husband down to listen to Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture on my stereo. I could hear the highest notes of the triangle (or whatever instrument it was) but he couldn't. He can hear the triangle when our grand daughters ring it at our house. I found that interesting (and summed it up to the recorded triangle being too soft-lower db). I wish naysayers who post on forums would TRY before they reject (or keep silent) and admit that if they can't hear something doesn't mean nobody else can either. I'll sit my husband down for a re-listen to the 1812 Overture after I get the Ingress roller blocks installed and see what happens :)