Are Martin Logan’s what they used to be?

...The ESL panels on the old ones were held by a frame solid, not flapping around in the breeze (say goodby to solid imaging) useless to spike these new ones they still flap...

This is nonsense. The current Masterpiece line has a new panel frame which is ROCK SOLID. Even my older Summits had minimal "give" in their "air frames", vs. the (slightly) wobbly Aerius i’s, which were composite wood.

The new models also have superb integration of the woofers with panel, plus ARC (Anthem Room Correction) for optimizing overall bass response for the room.

For 17,000 dollars the Sanders should be all that

captbeaver,

Don't forget that the $17,000 USD price includes a Magtech amplifier, which costs $5,500 USD.

The friend I bought the 10t’s from wanted to almost give me a pair with amp... no one really wanted them so the price was ridiculous... after the ML disaster I wasn’t going down that road again.

I agree that the ML's were weak with rock and harder funk... female vocals and jazz were the comfort zone for the Vista's. I will say I hooked them up with my HT and the ML's were amazing at least! 

Two channel had it's genre limits imho