Edit: I incorrectly said Onkyo DTM-7 two posts up but meant Integra DTM-7.
Only $800 to work with streamer/power for 3rd system
I am looking for a preferably one-box or potentially two-box solution that will provide the best sound quality to stream Tidal (ethernet or wireless can work) including MQA and power my existing passive speakers (plus powered sub). This will be for my office system at work, where I have a solo office in a large building full of other tenants. So no loud playing most of the time but want good quality, per limited budget.
Speakers will be NHT C1 bookshelf pair with Sunfire SDS8 mini sub. These are already in house. Hope to keep the streamer/power solution to $800 total, given the modest speakers.
Other considerations: Really want 32-bit DAC and MQA capability. Don't need much power. Don't need storage or ability to control storage - just Tidal streaming, but want Tidal support natively built-in. Don't want to use my phone or computer because already using them at work - want the streamer/power solution to handle. On second thought I guess control app from phone is okay, just don't want to be bluetooth streaming from phone or computer. Would prefer new, not used, but factory refurbished is okay with warranty. Won't use other sources, just Tidal. Don't want multi-channel AVR, only need stereo.
The two options I'm most focused on are Bluesound Powernode 2 or 2i, and the Integra DTM-7 stereo receiver, each of which are single-box solutions. Other options could be PS Audio Sprout 100 integrated for $600 (or NAD, Marantz, other integrated similar cost?) with a separate streamer, but I'm not aware of a separate streamer for $200 that has a 32-bit DAC and handles MQA. Yamaha WXAD-10 seemed close but best I can tell (not real clear) I think it has 24 bit DAC and anyway it'd push total closer to $1000 with Sprout.
I am familiar with the Integra DTM-7, as I have the DTM-7 as the HT hub of my current bedroom system, and with its HDMI/Dolby Vision/HDR support it is killer in that role for $650 for a 2-ch setup. But for Tidal music the sound through the NHT C1's was a little bright and after couple hours slightly fatiguing for me, although doable if that's what I go with for 3rd system (I'd get another DTM-7 for office if that is way I go). I've since upgraded my 2nd system speakers to Spendor SA1 and they sound great powered by the Integra in system 2, better combination - no more brightness/fatigue.
But now with the NHT C1 speakers freed up for system 3, I'm wondering if I can do better than the Integra for a music-only application for my office. Has anyone compared sound quality of Bluesound Powernode 2 (or 2i) with the Integra? Does Bluesound have a warmer sound? FWIW I know the Integra is class A/B, and I think Bluesound is class D. Oddly, I think Powernode 2 and 2i share same amplifier and DAC (but 2i includes some new features that I probably wouldn't use - Airplay, etc.), yet What Hifi review claims sound much improved with 2i. Powersound 2 is $600 now, while 2i is $800.
Or am I overlooking a better solution? Thank you
Speakers will be NHT C1 bookshelf pair with Sunfire SDS8 mini sub. These are already in house. Hope to keep the streamer/power solution to $800 total, given the modest speakers.
Other considerations: Really want 32-bit DAC and MQA capability. Don't need much power. Don't need storage or ability to control storage - just Tidal streaming, but want Tidal support natively built-in. Don't want to use my phone or computer because already using them at work - want the streamer/power solution to handle. On second thought I guess control app from phone is okay, just don't want to be bluetooth streaming from phone or computer. Would prefer new, not used, but factory refurbished is okay with warranty. Won't use other sources, just Tidal. Don't want multi-channel AVR, only need stereo.
The two options I'm most focused on are Bluesound Powernode 2 or 2i, and the Integra DTM-7 stereo receiver, each of which are single-box solutions. Other options could be PS Audio Sprout 100 integrated for $600 (or NAD, Marantz, other integrated similar cost?) with a separate streamer, but I'm not aware of a separate streamer for $200 that has a 32-bit DAC and handles MQA. Yamaha WXAD-10 seemed close but best I can tell (not real clear) I think it has 24 bit DAC and anyway it'd push total closer to $1000 with Sprout.
I am familiar with the Integra DTM-7, as I have the DTM-7 as the HT hub of my current bedroom system, and with its HDMI/Dolby Vision/HDR support it is killer in that role for $650 for a 2-ch setup. But for Tidal music the sound through the NHT C1's was a little bright and after couple hours slightly fatiguing for me, although doable if that's what I go with for 3rd system (I'd get another DTM-7 for office if that is way I go). I've since upgraded my 2nd system speakers to Spendor SA1 and they sound great powered by the Integra in system 2, better combination - no more brightness/fatigue.
But now with the NHT C1 speakers freed up for system 3, I'm wondering if I can do better than the Integra for a music-only application for my office. Has anyone compared sound quality of Bluesound Powernode 2 (or 2i) with the Integra? Does Bluesound have a warmer sound? FWIW I know the Integra is class A/B, and I think Bluesound is class D. Oddly, I think Powernode 2 and 2i share same amplifier and DAC (but 2i includes some new features that I probably wouldn't use - Airplay, etc.), yet What Hifi review claims sound much improved with 2i. Powersound 2 is $600 now, while 2i is $800.
Or am I overlooking a better solution? Thank you
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Marantz has the PM6006 integrated amp for $700 but it doesn’t include a streamer built-in. It’s too bad because Marantz does include nice streamers in their AV receivers (e.g., the 5012, now discontinued, was a 7.2 ch amp available on closeout for $600 for a time, and it had a really nice streamer with AKM4438 32-bit DAC, 115dB S/N - which are better stats than the Powernode PCM 5122 DAC (112dB S/N). I suspect if that streamer was included on Marantz PM6006 it would best Powernode 2i in sound quality (purely speculation though). But it’d probably cost $1000 instead of $800 ??? And that 5012 had Audyssey room correction too! |
To correct something I stated above where I speculated that Yamaha WXAD-10 might have a 24 bit DAC, it is indeed 32-bit, using Burr Brown PCM5121 DAC according to this review https://www.techradar.com/reviews/yamaha-wxad-10-musiccast-add Doesn't do DSD and nothing about MQA mentioned but still seems pretty good for $350, streamer only. |
The integra DTM-7 doesn't list MQA as a supported format. Also, DSD is only supported over HDMI. As far as streaming goes, it uses Chromecast and Play-fi. While Play-Fi will unfold MQA, it down samples it to 16/44, or 24/192 if you have the dedicated single device hi-res option selected. That blurb about the Onkyo came from an article titled "The 20 best streamers of 2019" I found more units that meets your criteria: Cary Audio AiOS $2999.00 and Cocktail audio x14 ($900) and X35 ($2000). Not sure about the DAC in the X14. |
See this article re Integra https://www.stereonet.co.uk/news/integra-the-latest-to-join-mqa-masters-race I believe MQA support was following a firmware upgrade. Anyway, I see the MQA icon on my TV screen when I stream Tidal MQA selections via the DTM-7 and I can search out Master's folders, etc., thru the built-in app, so it supposedly works. I just can't hear the sonic difference on that system. Cool, will check out the Cocktail, price in ballpark |
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