Anyone know how to set up Rythmik subwoofers on an ARCAM AVE550 receiver?


I am thinking about buying 2 Rythmik F12 Signature subwoofers.  I have an ARCAM AVR550 receiver and I need to find out how to set up these subwoofers without using DIRAC.  Rythmik has a 30 day return policy and I want to find out if I like them before I pay $600 to have someone calibrate my system using DIRAC.
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I have talked to both Brian Ding and Enrico.  They both told me to use the LFE hook up with my ARCAM and let the ARCAM DIRAC room correction handle it.  They also told me to set my ARCAM speakers as small.  Seems to me if I set them as small it might eliminate the two woofers in my towers and have them act as monitors.  This to me would defeat the reason for buying my towers.  Jim Salk, who I greatly admire, told me to use an SPL meter.  By the time he finished I thought I need to be an electrical engineer to set my subwoofers up this way.  

I visted Listen Up in Denver who sells REL.  They believe in REL as being a truly seamless subwoofer by the way the speak on connect hooks up.  They also told me if I buy the Rythmik and hook them up using the LFE connection they may not play at all when playing 2 channel because the LFE connection is designed to sense and produce low bass special effects frequencies.  I wonder if he said this in order for me to only consider REL.  I heard a slight difference when he played both the T/9i and the S3 REL with a pair of 704 B&W's, but not an enormous difference.  Not a huge gain in bass.  Perhaps a larger space.  When he disconnected the REL's it seamed like the front speakers pulled back.

If you were in my shoes would you go with a pair of conventional subwoofers like the Rythmik or would go with REL?
I have been looking at the F12 G (the G has the paper cone material).  The lighter weight material supposedly makes the texture of the bass more lifelike and dynamic for music with a very fast response and decay.  
Regardless these seem to be special subwoofers compared to the rest of the pack.  
As for connecting to your receiver definitely connect to the speaker terminals of the amp (parallel with your main speakers).  Connecting to your amplifier will allow the best possible integration with the main speakers because they are each receiving the same signal and sound signature.  
If you make sure that the subwoofers are positioned reasonably - along the main wall, about 6" or so from the wall and not in the corners of the room I don't believe room correction is necessary.  I have measured the respinse of many subwoofers and positioning them reasonably flattens the response which avoids peaks that require correction.  
If this sounds like a good starting point we can walk you through how to adjust the crossover, phase, level, etc. for best possible integration.  

Wait, what? Larry, you consider the Rythmik a "conventional" subwoofer and the REL not? You really don’t understand, do you?!

How many times are you going to come on here and ask everyone whether you should get a Rythmik or a REL? If you’re having this much trouble deciding, and still don’t understand the Rythmik design, I would just forget about the whole thing and be happy with your sub-less speakers. You’re over-thinking this, and still not understanding. I’ll bet whichever you got, you would be consumed with the nagging fear of having chosen wrong.

LFE out? did you mean preamp out? LFE out is exclusively for home theater if I am not mistaken (low frequency effects). If you don't use the high level inputs via the speaker cable, then I would either use the extra set of preamp outs on the preamp/receiver, or if only one set, just buy a splitter and run an extra interconnect over to the Rythmiks left or right channel RCA input.

Then on the rythmik you can best set what frequency sounds best to blend with your mains (don't have to touch the mains)
I talked to an ARCAM dealer and he said there is a setting on the ARCAM.  If I select stereo direct, it will not play the subs.  If I just select stereo it will.

Jim Salk and Brian Ding told me the way to hook things up is by using the LFE connections and let the ARCAM manage everything.  One person told me my ARCAM does not have a bass management system.  If so, I bought a piece of junk.  Maybe, I can control some of this by using some adjustments on the Rythmik subs.  I most likely will set the gain at halfway.

Maybe Rythmik would be wise to sell their subs through dealers so customers can at least hear them before you purchase them and the dealer could set everything up.  Problem is there are few ARCAM dealers.  

Right now I think I better go back to school and get a degree in electrical engineering like so many people who belong to Audiogon do.