Why will no other turntable beat the EMT 927?


Having owned many good turntables in my audiophile life I am still wondering why not one of the modern designs of the last 20 years is able to beat the sound qualities of an EMT 927.
New designs may offer some advantages like multiple armboards, more than one motor or additional vibration measurements etc. but regarding the sound quality the EMT is unbeatable!
What is the real reason behind this as the machine is nearly 60 years old, including the pre-versions like the R-80?
thuchan
Why do these comparisons always have to be so fair.  An EMT 927 usually only is seen with the ORTOFON RF 297 ,the RMA 297 or the EMT 997.  So that means usually with a TSD 15.
The EMT is a system with or without their phono.  
So whats wrong with saying EMT 927 as a whole is better or preferred over the Clearaudio Statement which usually as "system" with their linear tracking arm.  A listener can't make that statement without validity since the arms and carts or phono is not the same?

I just got myself a EMT 927 of my own,  and have yet to listen to it.  It needs a little TLC to get it "working" at its best.  But to still have people to reach out to and get parts and service for a product this old is wonderful.


I am using new short EMT-headshells putting in different carts like the Ortofon-A 95. I also found a Fidelity Research FR-7 in Japan built into a short EMT headshell (original design). You may also use a second arm using heavy weight carts like the Neumanns or EMT Mono Bakelite. 

My R 80 carries no phono. I rebuilt an EMT Phono by two EMT Mono designs of the sixties with new caps etc. It makes a lovely vintage sound, different to the EMT-66 which I also use.

Playing with this „Monster“ table you know why it is so damned good! Of course you may accommodate it into a nice listening room 😊 ( audiocirc).

Best
E.

Hi thuchan,
are you still also using the TT101?

if one is going to make a declarative statement about clearaudio vs 927, is it too much to ask that at least the cartridge should be held constant, as well as all downstream equipment? This is coming from me; I have a bias in favor of the EMT 927. So I am not offended by the statement that the 927 outperformed the clearaudio.
Dear Lewm,
yes, I still have the TT101. And do use it in my bedside system. Wonderful DD. 
Clearaudio is a good company, especially in the higher region. The Goldfinger, from the V2 version is just a great cart.

best
E.
pcosta,

I purchased a 927 and the restoration was expensive.  I did not have the 139st, which I really wanted.  I have heard the 139st and it is just superb!  I don’t hear any shortcoming in it at all.
I was using a 3012 and my 1966 Denon 103.  Even with these compromises the results were outstanding.  I have a highly modified Dual 1229 with a Grace 747, and a Garrard 301 with a SME 3009, and the EMT was so superior it was laughable.  Keep in mind, I love the sound of my Dual and Garrard, but the EMT seemed to provide so much more information and solidity to the music.  The 3012 is a good arm, but as Eckart has told me it’s really not the best choice for the EMT.  
I regretfully sold the big EMT (my living room is my listening space and the EMT in its broadcast frame doesn’t blend well with furniture - my wife hated it).
Eckart (thuchan) can recommend a proper arm/cartridge combo for you.  He was extremely helpful to me as his knowledge of the table setup was priceless.  
If you have the space, this is the last turntable you will ever want.  It’s such a joy to operate, and is a listening experience I wish everyone could have.  I miss my 927 every single day.

Norman