@lewm we are not discussing the same thing I guess. I am not a vintage lover or anything. I have actually used modern stuff mostly in my system. The Garrard 301 is the only classic item I have.
What I meant was, with all the limitations in the past they were able to make products that sounded like music. Many of them. Today the same McIntosh has nothing special to offer so they reissued the MC275 and still could not better it with all the great parts they have today. And 275 was not their best sounding amp anyway. Same with Marantz and Quad and others. The point is we have great parts today but the sum of the parts is not as great in many cases. Probably because it is all about voicing something to show in Munich and sell. After a couple of years its gone. Unlike the timeless classics we just discussed. A single guy makes a "me too" product dressed in a fancier chassis and sells for $$$, thats how we see most high ends today. In such a world the Shindos and Kondos are rare geniuses who know what they are doing.
The best example is as you rightly pointed out, Pass Labs. On one hand we have firstwatt which sounds pure, clear and lively like real music and then we have the Pass Labs amps which sounds boring and lazy with a sameness in tonality no matter what you throw at it. Totally 2 different sounds. Why ? Is it so difficult to hear which one sounds more like real music ? Naa...the idea is to sell a big monoblock which can put out 1000 watts. After all it is price per watt! I am not saying all big amps sound bad but this is a typical case where it is a clear step backwards even with all the great parts resulting in great SNR, accuracy, resolution etc etc.
On the contrary it is quite opposite in the AV, Television and automotive industry. May be music is too niche and narrow to accomodate too many great minds.
What I meant was, with all the limitations in the past they were able to make products that sounded like music. Many of them. Today the same McIntosh has nothing special to offer so they reissued the MC275 and still could not better it with all the great parts they have today. And 275 was not their best sounding amp anyway. Same with Marantz and Quad and others. The point is we have great parts today but the sum of the parts is not as great in many cases. Probably because it is all about voicing something to show in Munich and sell. After a couple of years its gone. Unlike the timeless classics we just discussed. A single guy makes a "me too" product dressed in a fancier chassis and sells for $$$, thats how we see most high ends today. In such a world the Shindos and Kondos are rare geniuses who know what they are doing.
The best example is as you rightly pointed out, Pass Labs. On one hand we have firstwatt which sounds pure, clear and lively like real music and then we have the Pass Labs amps which sounds boring and lazy with a sameness in tonality no matter what you throw at it. Totally 2 different sounds. Why ? Is it so difficult to hear which one sounds more like real music ? Naa...the idea is to sell a big monoblock which can put out 1000 watts. After all it is price per watt! I am not saying all big amps sound bad but this is a typical case where it is a clear step backwards even with all the great parts resulting in great SNR, accuracy, resolution etc etc.
On the contrary it is quite opposite in the AV, Television and automotive industry. May be music is too niche and narrow to accomodate too many great minds.