The imperfect amp: Pass or Ayre?

sure I have heard both and while I chose to own an Ayre VX-R in both the initial and then Twenty ( Diamond ) design, I think you might be missing the point a BIT...compared to many other components in the chain, amps are VERY low in distortion...OF course both Nelson and Charlie gifted genius designers with KEEN ears. I did own many Threshold products and think highly of his current work. I think listening to the product in a system with similar design principles and objectives might be more illuminating than a point comparison. For example the effects of negative feedback on a temporally accurate transducer....or not...
have fun, enjoy the music...
Jim

From Nelson Pass, "I have numerous designs using ZGNFB"

This is zero "global" negative feedback, just like Ayre is trying to make you believe by shortening it and saying Zero Feedback.
Both will then have to be using a "local feedback loop" around the front end of the amp.
It’s advertising BS by Ayre to say "no Feedback!" on a solid state amp.
Any difference in amps sound will be because of other factors if they both have either global or local feed backs.

This thread seem again to be fishing for Pass bashing ammo yet again.
You give no tech reason behind wanting to denigrate it, just hoping that fishing for a reason, someone will present one for you.

And BTW bashing "God" (NP) is blasphemous.

Cheers George

Yes we know you don't like Pass Labs.  Is this thread just another  to validate your opinion or another attempt to be controversial?

I am beginning to see a pattern.....I have a question, which maybe, this one, you can answer ? With all of the threads started by you, Mr. Eric, when do you have time to listen to, and enjoy, music. ........And I suppose, you thought I was alone.....

Weird how my own preferences cause so many people to act so butt hurt. Actually, gentlemen, if I am allowed to use the term, my question is more about WHY.


Both Pass and Ayre are two amps which eschew technical perfection.


Both Ayre and Pass stand in contrast to say, the Halcro amplifiers, which were famous for their absolute dominance in technical terms.  Ayre and Pass however have ended with different followers.


Compared to an ideal SS amp, both Pass and Ayre are absolute failures, with different followings. Aren't you curious why?


I am.

So yes, I am asking the same question in different ways. No, I don't intend to prove a brand is better than another, that's for the buyer. I don't care. I truly do not. I do care more about why. What kind of imperfections are we drawn to?