I’ve already noted how easily the AS1200 can drive my Thiel 3.7https://www.stereophile.com/images/archivesart/1208T37fig1.jpg Yes they can drive them, but I’m 100% sure your not hearing the very best from them. As your the one who asked " Can a class D amplifier do justice and get the best or close to the best from the speakers?" Cheers George |
| Post removed |
Yes - definitely getting the best from the 3.7s vs. other more expensive amps (and not just my opinion as others have heard it in my system with Class D and I'm not talking about non-audiophiles but people who have gone to shows and heard really expensive high end systems). Now I'm not saying that there aren't products out there (as there are many products consisting of different amp classes) that might sound better (I can only offer actual experience, vs. theories which are just that and not particularly useful vs. actual in home listening and including the reaction of others who have heard it in my system in my room and no need to insult others who can hear vs. someone who has not heard the system in the room). That does not mean that it is the last word in amplification. Upon my first listen (after breaking in a Class D amp), I was shocked how well it drove the 3.7s and how much better it sounded than two highly regarded non-class D amps with list prices of around $9k. George, with all your comments on various threads, why not just start a new thread about the theoretical disadvantages of Class D? Would not that be better to have all that discussion organized in one thread? Once would think (at least I would, others can disagree of course) that it would be far more productive than insulting other peoples (and a bunch of people who have had separates for 30- 40 years) hearing. Personally, I just don't see the point of regurgitating the same comments with a complete lack of actual experience with the room and the components and speakers. When I had a friend who worked at a high end shop many moons ago and did virtually all his set-ups in deliveries with him (and I'm talking some two channel systems with around $150k in costs going back more than a dozen years), I learned very quickly not to say that for example a particular speaker is always wonderful sounding (I heard pairs of speakers I previously owned that sounded like complete crap in another room). I don't take any of your comments personally (or those by anyone else btw). I can't take anyone all that seriously who makes comments without actually hearing things (and I would have no problem if you heard it and posted all over here that my system actually sucked in your opinion). Not trying to start anything. Just think it would be best to get all points of view concentrated in appropriate threads (and would be fine if this thread was linked in a new thread - much betting than making comments that really are not that relevant - if you think they are, then why don't post your actual experience using Class D vs. other classes of amps driving Thiel 3.7s or 5s and if you don't have any that is basically what I'm saying - theories are fine and at one point the earth was flat according to one as well) |
All I try to offer in any particular thread (and as noted per my last post I have lots of experience setting up systems and among the speakers that the store carried where my friend worked were Thiels and Maggies), and this will be my last word (regardless of how many more insults someone wants to hurl my way whether that is not be able to hear or not knowing what an impedance curve is, and an impedance curve I've already previously referenced here if someone actually read my comments which apparently some have not), is actual experience intended to provide additional relevant information to a question posed by the thread originator. It is not intended to made judgments about other peoples tastes, listening habits, etc. With forum like this one, I've already noted and quoted the Wikipedia definition of an internet troll in these threads. It is just the way it is and nothing to get all excited about, it is the norm that there will always be a few. For example, if someone asked a question about Magico speakers, which by the way I think are wonderful and have heard in a store more than once and at audio shows more than once, and I started making theoretical comments about something that they don't do well, there are probably some people after the first comment who might consider me a troll (it might be a bit judgmental for one comment). If I continued making many comments over and over with no relevant experience to offer to the original poster's question, I'm sure there would be more and more people who would think that I'm a troll (and I'm not sure how I would argue that I'm not). This is not to pick on a particular person. It is just to make my point that it is probably best to start a new thread vs. make comments without actual hands on experience relevant to the topic. As an example, at one point I bought a lightly used Bryston 14BSST (15 amp version) when I originally had Thiel 7.2s (and I've already posted this information within the Class D threads if anyone bothered to read). I used them in a huge room (probably almost 7,000 cu. ft. that opened into other spaces). I listen to a wide variety of music, some of which is very dynamic. The impedance of the 7.2s caused the amp to shut down a bunch of times. I called the guy I bought it from who had Thiel 6s (which I heard many times and help deliver more than one pair) and only listened to small jazz combos in a small or average sized room and did not play things at the levels I might. If I posted a blanket statement that the 14BSST can't drive or get the best out of any Thiel speaker, I don't think that would be either a factual statement or one that would probably be useful to someone posting a question. An example would be the question posed here which deals with what Class D amps can drive certain things. The original poster is entitled to seek information from others about their experiences and determine if there is something he or she would like to try in their system. That does not mean that if they tried it, they would like it better than another amp or might find faults with how it sounds. It is just more helpful when someone provides feedback about their experiences so that the person posing the question can come to a conclusion as to whether something is possible to use in their system. That's all from me. |
