TUBE or SS PATHS


This came from my local Technician:  "  You all are enthusiasts of fine audio reproduction equipment, and of course, appreciators of fine musicianship. I'm curious of your thoughts concerning the reproduction of sound. As audiophiles, is it not the desire to faithfully reproduce and amplify the input signal without distortion of any kind? Why is it then, that some prefer tubes due to their "warm" personality, and others prefer the "sterile" personality of solid state? Indeed, if a fine audiophile grade tube amp and a fine audiophile grade solid state amp are compared side to side, should they not sound exactly the same? If they do not sound the same, I would say one of them, if not both are coloring and/or distorting in some form? I have posed this question to many of my "high end" customers, and have never gotten an answer that satisfies me.....your thoughts?  John

I have thoughts to share down the road.  More Peace, Pinthrift
pinthrift
It doesn't have to be colored or sterile. High end lives well within those parameters without having to go to the edge of either. 
Then there is who is designing your gear are they older with natural hearing loss or younger with much of their hearing still intact. that's something I've always wondered as many of our more famous designers are well past retirement age so their hearing is in question IMO. lets take for example a person reviewing some gear, what's that persons age ?do they have hearing loss ? that makes a huge difference in what they hear and what they report.  lets not even get into environmental influences. 

Someone with hearing loss in one area may report other areas next to those frequencies as elevated.  

Do you honestly think an elderly male is going to be able to hear much above 15k (if that) so how do they know if the treble is extended or not? or harsh or not? 

I'm 54 i know from testing that I have a slight loss at around 5-6khz in my left ear do I notice this when listening of course not my brain fills it in (probably not actually correct but that's our brains). 

Moral of the story we all hear differently so finding a designer with similar tastes and hearing is essential to our enjoyment. So get out there get your hearing tested correctly (not the push the button when you hear a tone test that's not accurate enough) find out were your lacking and use that information to help you select equipment. 

Glen
Hi.  Thanks for responses.  This is how I responded to John, crossing over with some of your points it appears.  
...John, methinks you want someone to give you "your" answer, so you may never be satisfied with ours. As a subjective music lover, I truly believe that our hearing is more veracious and capable of perceiving sounds and spacial cues than instruments using hard science. Let's remember that audio playback is an illusion, hardly the real thing, as we cannot crawl into the same space that the microphones attempted to capture. As with our others senses, how can I tell how you perceive, say, the taste of a particular wine; assess a Rembrandt; or identify the preference of a scent of a fine perfume? I will say this. Back in the later 70's, I purchased a powerful new McIntosh MC2200 solid state amplifier to drive a pair of McIntosh XR5 floor standing loudspeakers. The new amp had a glitch, and I was handed a little McIntosh 45W tube loaner to drive these inefficient speakers. Yes, the highs were rolled off and the bass was flabby, but, oh my, that mid-range was clearly way beyond the abilities of the MC2200. Back to Maine, a few years later, I had upgraded to a pair 45lb Chapman 2 way monitors that were far more revealing than the XR5's. I discovered that Transparent Audio was importing the Electrocompaniet Ampliwire II, a small, high current, 45w solid state amplifier that was getting raves in the burgeoning underground press of the day:
   https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649317413-electrocompaniet-ampliwire-ii-power-amplifier/ 
The differences in "my truth" between the McIntosh and the little Ampliwire II were astounding! Some further modifications turned the little amp into a world class amplifier, which I used for 20 years. Yes, the sound was tube-like without the downsides of "old tube sound." Okay, just what does that mean? Having recently experienced, at length, some of Nelson Pass's best efforts vs the wonderful Audio Matiere Equilibre tube amp, and some lovely 300B tube monoblocks, I can confidently say that the gap has joyfully closed between the two approaches.... I could easily live in either camp. Tubes no longer sound tubby, restricted and rolled on top. Transistors no longer sound metallic, dry, lacking in leading edge transients and soothing decay. The high resolution possible today exposes so much more of the timbre, nuance and holographic nature of modern high fidelity, does away with the congestion and boredom of early hi fi, allowing these advances full advantage over stock retro gear. Mix that with the access to quality streaming, and, man...what a time to be a music lover! More Peace, Tim (Pin)    


I agree Tim, it is a great time to be alive as a music lover! Not only the equipment that is available to us now (& still improving IMO), but the VAST amount of music that is as well.