sellers trying to sell used product for 10-20% off of list price


I don’t get it. Almost any item here can be bought brand new from a dealer with a full warranty for 20% off - virtually any and all high end product. Some can be bought for close to 30% percent off. Sellers trying to sell year old product for 20% off are delusional, perhaps hoping for someone to naively buy it at their price but I doubt it happens. If the product isn’t in the range of 40-50% off of MSRP I'm not sure why anyone would buy it as often the warranty doesn’t transfer. Factor in sellers asking for 5-6% extra for Paypal plus shipping charges and even a 30% percent discount really is more like 15% off of list- a non starter. Am I the only one doing this math  ?  I can buy brand new at 25-30% with no extra charge for using paypal or my credit card and minimal shipping. Asking for a friend lol.
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I just paid full price for a pair of Magnepan 3.7i.  I would love to see where I could have purchased them for 30% off!  I am totally happy paying full price and can trade them in a year and get ALL my money back on a trade. What does a discount sound like?
I agree with Ihasaguy, this topic is way to general.  Some gear has good margin and some dealers are willing to give a decent discount.  Others not so much, or pricing is policed heavily by manufacturers and their distributors.

High end audio is much like cars.  Drive it off the lot they lose value unless the car is highly sought after.  That being said, much like cars, in audio there are ways to work something out with dealers, such as better trade in values etc. if you can get them to discount the item for various reasons.

In my view, 10% on a used item that isn’t highly coveted seems a bit low, and at some point may make sense to just buy new to get full warranty.
@cowan217 I empathize with your premise. On the flip side, there are plenty of low ballers who want to offer a seller 30-50% of their asking price. That is also frustrating. All of this is what makes a market. The Audiogon Bluebook is a handy tool. Also doing research as to sold sales on eBay and possibly elsewhere helps. If I run into a seller who is unrealistic as to their asking price, I try to educate them politely and provide evidence. Sometimes that helps. Sometimes not and I see their listing remaining unsold over time. 
Sell high ...buy low..always ask more because nobody will pay more than what you ask. Can always go down but not up as a seller. If you don’t like the price move on as a buyer, there will always be another for sale.