JADIS DEFY7, can not get it to sing


Hi
I hope some of you old pros can help answer my,,well lets say help me figure out how to get my Jadis defy 7 to sing. I purchased the amp used (like new, as the seller had a  Jadis JA200 mono blocks laready and the Defy sat quiet, So I bought it in 2008. Months later i purchased a  MINGDA tube pre amp, sounded AWEFUL, Not even close to my jadis Orch reference, KT90's EI tubes, that intergrtaed was really all I needed, i made a  huge costly mistake selling and buying the  DEFY 7, I do believe that w/o a  powerful pre, to DRIVE the FQ's into the Defy, the Defy will not respo9nd. 
The sound is flat, lifeless, no dynamics, The Orch Refer had HUGE sound stage, bass, GORGEOUS life like mids, nice sweet highs. 
I wanted more and bought the Defy,. 
I just had the Defy cked in Baton Rouge, had the KT90's brand new EH tuibes biased . 
I have a  ONKYO preamp arriving next week and am about to buy a  Mitshibushi Pre amp, 
I have a  LITE LS9 , chinese tube preamp, and that pre sounds like the,,no worse than the heftier Ming Da. 
This Lite LS9 is suppose to be a copy of the Jadis 200 pre, It weighs only 7 lbs, the trans is light weight.
I get  the idea the jadis Defy needs a  great hefty powerful prem, which is what folks told me back when i bought it, I did not believe them. 

I am low on  cash and will list the Defy for $3500 and i will pay shipping. 
I will then wait fora  great used Jadis intergrated, say a  DA50.

But I 1st want to try the 2 solid state pres to see if i can get the Defy to wake up.
It I can get some better respose , i may keep it and look for a  good used Audio reserach or a  macnintosh.
I do not have $6K for a jadis pre used. 
My budget is $1K
any help is greatly appreacitaed.
I have the uncredibly  SEAS Thor MTM speakser along with the CAYIN tube cd player with upgraded opamps .
As I say I am very close to selling the hge, hardly used (Like New) amp, due to my doubts that I can get the amp to respond like its tiny brother , The Orch Reference. 
btw I am the one who coined the tag *shootout* wayyyy back in 2000, or 2001 
I stared a  thread of speaker shootouts,,,and based on that long thread, i bought the SEAS THor kits. 
I now see *shoot out* is now the common tag for speaker and stereo components comparison.
My old login was Bartokfan.
Look forward to any suggestions in my dilemma.
paul
new orleans
mozartfan
@mozartfan  You just posted an interesting point. You have found yourself in a difficult position...because you acquired an excellent amp and spent $$ to do it, without realizing that the amp is only half the picture at best. I wonder how many folks have done exactly the same thing, blown their budget on the amp ( or the preamp) and had noting left to complete the picture. This is certainly one of the 'traps' with buying separate pieces. In your case, this has led you to incorrectly assume that the amp is at fault, when in fact the upstream gear is at issue ( some, or all of it...starting with the preamp). 
I read your post and I don't think you really understood mine. Stop flipping cheap supposed clones of well known preamps. Save your money. Use the Xiang for 6 months or whatever while you save up then sell it. Use that money lets call it $1500-2000. Stop looking on Ebay for Chinese preamps with good user reviews and instead look at used preamps here or at USA Audiomart. Find a really good used preamp and buy it. Looking right now here are several at or below your projected budget that you could buy right now:
https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649552585-herron-audio-vtsp-1a-tube-preamplifier/
https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649553582-docet-lector-zoe-tube-linestage-preamp/
https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649554216-audio-note-m2-phono-preamplifier-w-balance-control-and...
Those are just three examples all below $1500 that would likely kill any of the preamps you've mentioned and be a good match with your amp. Obviously in 6 months they will be gone but other good used preamps will be available.
The Xiang 728 arrived, and after 10 minutes of Faith Hill, its going back, as one buyer on ebay wrote back after i read his comment/review on the CLASS A Single Ended tube pre , which he liked, and said he once owed the Xiang and felt it was flat = no dynamics. I quickly in less than 5 minutes, agreed. 
Its a cheap chinese preamp. 
What I did discover in the session, is that the Jadis is dead quiet,,all along it was the Lite LS9 (Jadis clone) that has ground issues, which i will give  to my tech guy in baton Rouge to repair and sell in his shop, at whatever price, and he keeops some commission, + I will dump my brand new Cayin MT35 on hin to dump for whatever,,hoping for $400, paid $650+ $150 ship from china..The Xiang is going back and will put that $300 towards my final pre amp , the Class A LEAF AUDIO. 
Has 6 Leaf Audio caps, which i will swap out and place in Mundork's Supreme or Silver Oil. My Tech guy in BR liked the payout from the pic,but adds *not sure how it sounds*..also I learned from my painter who knows alittle about stereo's , says add 4 more spades on the  biwire speaker cables from the Thor, as jumping both high/low together may  not allow the FQ's/HZ's to brethe properly, besides the Jadis has  biwire posts. 
So makes sense to buy 4 more spades (which are on order) and biwire. This may have flatened the repsonse from both preamps. Regardless, it does not subtract much, both are too flat for my taste, based on my 6 yrs experience with the Jadis Orch Reference (EI KT90's)  which delivered like like vocals, sounds stage, It was like the band was playing right in   the listening room.

So the Defy is dead quiet and this is indeed grat news.
Can't reture the Xiang yet, as seller says he needs to give me a  contact code to return,,,meanwhile the Leaf Audio pre offer at $475 is gone, now its not even $499,  , lists now at $519 + $80 ship/china. 
I could wait for black Friday and get it  lower,,,,,,at this point I'll pay the $500, as my hunch says , based on both ebay buyers writing back with thumbs up, ,,,
My paypal is maxed, so I was hoping to hurry and return the Xiang,,but seems it may be another week before i can make the Leaf purchase. 
The Leaf has 2 outs, so finally i get to work in a  sub,,which arrives tomorrow, a  sub cabinet + Dayton 70 Watt RMS amp both from parts express, and a  used, excellent condition Cerwin Vega 10 inch red rubber surround as the sub.
SWEET.
I stand by my opinion the SEAS Thor kit is the finest reproducion for music.
I had the Philips 2 ways, from the early 1980's and reproduced excellent sound  in that epoch,,,but next to the Thors, I could clearly hear  their weakness.

I'll  post a  comment when the Leaf arrives. about 2/3 weeks from today. 
System will be 
Cayin CD17 has  6 6922's + new high tech opamps
Jadis Defy 7 Bugle Boys front/EH KT90's power..
Speakser Thors, will possibly add new Mundorf caps to C2 and C3 anda  new R2 resistor as per Madisound tech suggesion.
With the Leaf Audio Class A pre has  2 AU7, 2 AX7;s , both pairs  will be rolled to Bugle Boys,  + caps replaced to Mundorfs, Supreme/or Silver Oil. 
Amazing this Jadis has sat in my room, with a  sheet over it for all these years, and has no issues at all. 
This amp is most likely 15+ yrs , and is dead quiet. 
This beauty now sits on a  bench shelf, waiting for the preamp, ,,,,,finally my journey for class A sound imaging is nearing victory ,,,,I can see Mt Everest peak just over the ridge,,,,

@mozartfan   I don't know anything about the Leaf preamp...but I do know that the little Schitt Freya+ that I suggested before is a very good preamp for the $$ ( friend owns one and drives his ARC amp beautifully!). Any reason why you would not consider the Schitt? ( except for maybe the name, LOL).