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Phono Preamp Tube Rush

Is there such a thing as a tube phono stage that doesn't have tube rush? Is it just an inherent weakness of that type of pre or is it some combination of cartridge gain and preamp gain? I went from a silent solid state ASR Basis Exclusive to a Herron VTPH-2A (new home with space limitations) and now I'm using a Hagerman Trumpet with my Decca London Super Gold. Both the Herron and Hagerman have tube rush. The Hagerman beats the Herron in my setup and it really sounds incredible but in quiet passages and between songs, there's that hiss at high-medium and high volume. It's just there. No combination of new tubes, new cables, etc changes this fact. Same with the Herron. Anyone having a different experience with a tube phono preamp?
dhcod
dhcod OP
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I have used super low noise new stock tubes from Kevin at Upscale. I got a 10-20% improvement in noise and a -25% penalty in sound quality from the NOS smooth plate Telefunken 12ax7s and the Brimar 13D5s that I prefer. Lots of tradeoffs in this hobby!
bigkidz
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All tube phono stages do not have tube rush.  Sounds like a poorly designed unit IMO.  While it may sounds excellent as you say, there is something not right about the design.

@dhcod - the original Telefunken factory in CT is back in operation!

Happy Listening. 
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three_easy_payments
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@bigkidz

I have to disagree that the VTPH-2A is a poorly designed unit as it’s incredibly musical, especially at it’s price point. I really love what it has done for my vinyl experience. With that said I do wonder why Keith didn’t use the 6922/6DJ8 in his phonostage which is what he uses in his linestage. It seems noise would be much less of an issue because the EH 6922 is one of the quietest tubes there is for this purpose with ample gain.
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three_easy_payments
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@edwyun 

What tubes are you using in the V1, V2, and V5 positions?
dhcod OP
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FYI, When I had my VTPH-2a I noticed no difference in noise between the lowest noise new stock tubes and NOS telefunen 12ax7s and Mazda 12 AT7s. I had the version with the 2 12ax7s and 3 12AT7s. I loved this unit and compared it to a few others that were more expensive and it always won out. When I went with the Decca cartridge though, the Trumpet was doing all the same stuff but with some noticeably extra depth in the sound stage so I made a change. Keith Herron is the best. I still have his line stage and amps.
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