Broken hearted...magnepan and vandersteen

I had a very different experience than you. I was at a Vandersteen speaker show in Atlanta last week. I heard a VAST difference between the Treo ct and the quatro ct. To me the quatros were completely different than the Treos It wouldn't make sense for Richard to make identically sounding speakers wher one was about half the price as the other?. I initially went to the show to buy the treo ct but I much preferred the quatro. Note: the quatro were properly set up in a private room and the treos were in an open environment.  I have owned Vandersteen speakers for 44 years. You cannot beat time and phase correct speakers.

@markpop how cool :-) Vandersteen powered bass is a wonderful thing indeed !

re " The problem with the vandersteen speakers is that they have drivers that overlap over a wide range. This is not only pointless but can cause a muddy sound."

--- Sorry, not trying to pick a fight, but as a Vandersteen owner for 20+ years, this is bogus. I’ve listened to the 3, the Treo CT and the Quatro CT at some length, too. Great speakers. I'm no fanboy, but as I research my next pair of speakers, Vandys keep coming up at the top of the list, with some other good makes. Richard V is a genius.

re " I heard a VAST difference between the Treo ct and the quatro ct "

I've auditioned them. The bass of the Treo CT is excellent, but doesn't go nearly as low as the Quatro. The mids and treble of both are very close, and superb. I want the Treo CT, and would then add one of his new subs when I could afford it. It would make no sense to get two subs ... you'd have about $14K invested and it would make more sense to get the Quatro CTs with better built-in bass. I cannot afford the Quatro CT, but that would be my first choice.

The Treo CT is special. I think I can live without the maximum low bass response.

If you bought two new Vandy Sub 3's, yes, it would bring the price very close to the Quatro. If you don't mind giving up the freq. EQ. of the Sub 3's, you can buy 2 used Vandy 2Wq's which you can improve the sound of the Treo immensely. I as some others have used this combo with great results. If you look around and are patient, you could pick up a couple of used 2Wq's for $1200-$1400 in very good condition. Just an option to consider.