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What is wrong with audiophiles?

Something that has happened countless times happened again last night. Ordinary people over for a party listening to some music easily hear things audiophiles argue endlessly don't even exist. Oh, its worse even than that- they not only easily hear but are stunned and amazed at what they hear. Its absolutely clearly obvious this is not anything they ever were expecting, not anything they can explain- and also is not anything they can deny. Because its so freaking obvious! Happens every time. Then I come on here and read one after another not only saying its impossible, but actually ridiculing people for the audacity of reporting on the existence of reality.

What is wrong with audiophiles?

Okay, concrete examples. Easy demos done last night. Cable Elevators, little ceramic insulators, raise cables off the floor. There's four holding each speaker cable up off the floor. Removed them one by one while playing music. Then replaced them. Music playing the whole time. First one came out, instant the cable goes on the floor the guy in the sweet spot says, "OH! WTF!?!?!"

Yeah. Just one. One by one, sound stage just collapses. Put em back, image depth returns.

Another one? Okay.

Element CTS cables have Active Shielding, another easy demo. Unplug, plug back in. Only takes a few seconds. Tuning bullets. Same thing. These are all very easy to demo while the music is playing without interruption. This kills like I don' know how many birds with one stone. Auditory memory? Zero. Change happens real time. Double blind? What could be more double blind than you don't know? Because nobody, not me, not the listener, not one single person in the room, knows exactly when to expect to hear a change- or what change to expect, or even if there would be any change to hear at all. Heck, even I have never sat there while someone did this so even I did not know it was possible to hear just one, or that the change would happen not when the Cable Elevator was removed but when the cable went down on the floor.

We're talking real experience here people. No armchair theorizing. What real people really hear in real time playing real music in a real room.

I could go on. People who get the point will get the point. People who ridicule- ALWAYS without ever bothering to try and hear for themselves!- will continue to hate and argue.

What is wrong with audiophiles?

Something almost all audiophiles insist on, its like Dogma 101, you absolutely always must play the same "revealing" track over and over again. Well, I never do this. Used to. Realized pretty quickly though just how boring it is. Ask yourself, which is easier to concentrate on- something new and interesting? Or something repetitive and boring? You know the answer. Its silly even to argue. Every single person in my experience hears just fine without boring them to tears playing the same thing over and over again. Only audiophiles subject themselves to such counterproductive tedium.

What is wrong with audiophiles????
128x128millercarbon
prof
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 —- Question: When do you know you’ve become an audiophile?
Answer: When you no longer listen to music you like, rather music that sounds the best on your system.

——————-

I think thats true to an extent. Not that audiphiles “don’t really listen to and enjoy music” but rather, putting on music you don’t care for to use it to listen to the audio gear is the type of thing an audiophile would do. I’ve certainly done that before, and more often in my earlier days as an audiophile (extremely rare now).

On the other hand, many of us have come to actually like music we otherwise would have passed over, due to how our systems aided that discovery.
boxer12
8,656 posts
 
Although I'm an audiophile, I'm with prof on the question/answer. There is way to much music available to ever listen to anything I don't like. Sure, I bought some audiophile recordings in the past, but stopped that when I found out they were boring. That said, to each his own.  
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asvjerry
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@geoffkait   I can agree with that last rant to some degree..it does seem like there's a lot of souls out on a limb with a saw of late.

Yeah, I know...to some I may qualify for that fate as well. *shrug*

"If there be 'personal hells', we all must live within them.  Mine may be no better nor worse than that of others."

Thanks, Spock.  Your character is likely quoting some literary giant, but the gist of it remains....

How one conceives of and approaches this 'indulgence' into audio rapture and response varies as much as we do.  Similarities, but no 2 alike.  We cling to it like Linus to his blanket, and there's a comfort within that as well.

And when threatened with our blankie being tossed into the wash 'n dry...
Panic/pause/Response...

...and Conflict. ;)
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stargazer3
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Perhaps the guests of the OP were treading on egg shells as they were warned as to OP's delicate sensibilities in the matters of HiFi and whichcraft.  When the first cable was removed from the 'Cable Elevator' the guest was forewarned by the signal of another guest that the above act has been done and with perfect timing (Prat) the guest exclaims  "OH! WTF!?!?!"  This reaction massages the OP's ego perfectly and sound diplomacy is preserved...!
prof
3,479 posts
 
And sorry but you’ll just have to dream and imagine what its like having the CEO and cable designer who founded Shunyata Research over because that just ain’t ever happening. To you. So eat your heart out.


^^^^
That is one of the most hilariously "only-an-audiophile-could-have-dreamed-of-writing-it" statements I’ve ever seen on an audio forum.

Pure gold.

I can only think of a zillion people I’d rather have over than the founder of an AC power cable company. In millercarbon’s weird world, lack of interest in such high end audio tweakery apparently make ME the "audiophile."

I’m sure the first thing on non-audiophile guest’s minds are: "This sounds good, but can we hear your system without cable risers? Ok, but we need to hear it now without the magic bullets. Oh, what about the cable with the active shielding. Can you demo that for us? Please?"

This was clearly an audiophile unable to contain himself from wanting to demonstrate audiophile-geek tweaks to non-audiophiles. If you want to talk about "what’s wrong with audiophiles...." Yeesh. That’s just one step above loose-fitting jeans and an obsession with playing Buddy Guy.

I’ve had many non-audiophile guests who have loved listening to music on my system. And yes they are often stunned at hearing sound like they’ve never heard. But I sure as hell don’t start boring them to tears with audiophile geekery because I’ve got their rapt attention and I need my own obsessiveness validated. "Ok, but did you know the sound changes if I switch amps? Or if I switch impedance settings on my cartridge, or switch cartridges? Or if I tweak this or that? Sit there, I’ll demo this for you!" That’s not for THEM. That’s for YOU to feel validated in your own audio-geekery.

That’s just cringe-worthy stuff.



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