What does an impedance-matching issue "sound" like?


I recently added a 2nd Luxman MQ-88uSE to my 2 channel system, bridged to mono so I am running a Luxman to each of my 6ohm Volti Rivals.

The SE version of this Luxman amp only has single speaker taps which output 25Wpc to 6 ohms, and 20Wpc to 4 ohms and 8 ohms (from the manual). I used a jumper between each of the "positive" taps so I am not sure what the bridged output is to the 6 ohm Rivals.

Now what I am hearing is definitely more power and presence in the sound, better bass, as well as improved separation. BUT occasionally I am hearing what sounds like a bit of breakup deep in the mix of some songs. Like the whole channel isn’t breaking up, but suddenly a rhythm guitar part sounds noisy like it’s being played through an AM radio or something. On some songs, the entire mix may sound reduced in scale and less dynamic.

I am not sure if my ears are playing tricks on me, or if I’m crazy, or if there could be something happening in the pairing of these amps and speakers that is bad for the equipment and sound. I realize this is a complicated issue because one amp is brand new and the other is broken in, and they are both tube amps., So chasing down the culprit could get messy.

Is it possible there are impedance issues at play here? What would that sound like?



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@georgehifi

George, I understand what you are saying about the speaker’s impedance being challenging for a tube amp in parts of the bass region. But note that the OP has indicated that the addition of the second amp, with the two channels in each amp paralleled, has improved the bass (which is to be expected given that paralleling the channels in effect creates a 3 ohm tap), and he has not indicated that there are any problems in that region.

Note also that he has said that "fuzzy sound in some of the midrange on some material is what brought all this up." And as I indicated in my first post in this thread the speaker’s impedance in parts of the upper mid-range and lower treble is in the vicinity of 20 ohms or more! Resulting in more of a mismatch to the tap on the amp than when a single amp had been operated in stereo mode. Which leads me back to the first of the two hypotheses I proposed in that first post, with the second hypothesis also being a possibility especially given that the amp has an output impedance that is very low for a tube amp (0.6 ohms in stereo mode, as I mentioned earlier, which would mean 0.3 ohms in paralleled mono mode):

With the amp presumably now optimized for a 3 ohm load perhaps it isn’t happy driving such high impedances in the mid-range and lower treble. Or perhaps the tubes or something else in the amp isn’t well matched between the two channels, and the two channels are trying to put out slightly different signals and are therefore fighting each other to some degree as a result of having their outputs connected together.

Best regards,
-- Al


With the amp presumably now optimized for a 3 ohm load perhaps it isn’t happy driving such high impedances in the mid-range and lower treble. Or perhaps the tubes or something else in the amp isn’t well matched between the two channels, and the two channels are trying to put out slightly different signals and are therefore fighting each other to some degree as a result of having their outputs connected together.

This is more than likely contributing to the issue since one amp has about 300 hours on it (and the tubes) and the other new one has about 15. 

I certainly do not have the electronics background that everyone else has on this thread but I find it interesting that the issues seem to be only in certain instruments and certain recordings to paraphrase. Is it possible that the problem could be in the recording itself? When you come across a track with an issue, does it repeat with subsequent listenings or is it totally random?
jsqt OP


I believe Eli on diyaudio is quite clued up, from pass posts I’ve read, combining the feedback of both channels becomes an issue beside other things, here is what he says about paralleling tube amps.
"Very few amps work well, with simple paralleling. Unfortunately, heat and distortion are the typical result."

Cheers George

Again I have to come back to the fact that while there is a lot of discussion about what should and shouldn't be done bridging or paralleling tube amps in general, I have specific instructions directly from Luxman on how to do this, and the Luxman distributor specifically approached me with this idea.

So while there may be many amps - even most amps - that this is not recommended for, I have specific instructions from Luxman for this amplifier, so I'm not clear how the overall configuration could be an issue. Nonetheless, this thread does bring up some interesting questions.