Hear my Cartridges....🎶


Many Forums have a 'Show your Turntables' Thread or 'Show your Cartridges' Thread but that's just 'eye-candy'.... These days, it's possible to see and HEAR your turntables/arms and cartridges via YouTube videos.
Peter Breuninger does it on his AV Showrooms Site and Michael Fremer does it with high-res digital files made from his analogue front ends.
Now Fremer claims that the 'sound' on his high-res digital files captures the complex, ephemeral nuances and differences that he hears directly from the analogue equipment in his room.
That may well be....when he plays it through the rest of his high-end setup 😎
But when I play his files through my humble iMac speakers or even worse.....my iPad speakers.....they sound no more convincing than the YouTube videos produced by Breuninger.
Of course YouTube videos struggle to capture 'soundstage' (side to side and front to back) and obviously can't reproduce the effects of the lowest octaves out of subwoofers.....but.....they can sometimes give a reasonably accurate IMPRESSION of the overall sound of a system.

With that in mind.....see if any of you can distinguish the differences between some of my vintage (and modern) cartridges.
VICTOR X1
This cartridge is the pinnacle of the Victor MM designs and has a Shibata stylus on a beryllium cantilever. Almost impossible to find these days with its original Victor stylus assembly but if you are lucky enough to do so.....be prepared to pay over US$1000.....🤪
VICTOR 4MD-X1
This cartridge is down the ladder from the X1 but still has a Shibata stylus (don't know if the cantilever is beryllium?)
This cartridge was designed for 4-Channel reproduction and so has a wide frequency response 10Hz-60KHz.
Easier to find than the X1 but a lot cheaper (I got this one for US$130).
AUDIO TECHNICA AT ML180 OCC
Top of the line MM cartridge from Audio Technica with Microline Stylus on Gold-Plated Boron Tube cantilever.
Expensive if you can find one....think US$1000.

I will be interested if people can hear any differences in these three vintage MM cartridges....
Then I might post some vintage MMs against vintage and MODERN LOMC cartridges.....🤗
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Thanks for the feedback Noromance....
JMAS seems to have a cleaner midband, more transparent and less congested upper bass.
I agree....but how much of that we can attribute to the DD Victor over the Belt-Drive Raven, I don't know?
But the fact that we can even have this comparison with a 40 year-old $250 cartridge over a megabuck current Uber LOMC is pause for reflection....🤔

Let's face it.....there have been no technical advances or revolutions in cartridge design during the last 30 years, despite what the manufacturers and reviewers like to tell you...🤥
In fact, if anything, there has been a 'loss' of material and technical know-how that precludes current-day cartridge designers from even matching the designs of the Golden Age of Analogue.
The loss of Beryllium as a cantilever material for example.....
The loss of tapered-tubes (or even rods) for cantilevers....
The loss of composite cantilevers as in the Sony XL-55 and XL-88..
The loss of the technical (or economic) ability to create a cantilever out one single piece of gemstone as in the vintage Sony XL-88D for another...
Instead of technical and intellectual advancements these days....cartridge designers and manufacturers find the only 'point-of-difference'  they can offer, is more complex and costly cartridge BODIES such as the various stone-bodies of the Koetsus and the fancy-shaped titanium bodies of the Lyras, Ortofons and Acoustical Systems ostensibly all designed to prevent internal cartridge resonances 😂
But no-one has ever proven that these internal resonances even exist, let alone quantify them.
And despite the fact that the great cartridges of the past (which outperform the current fancy-bodied ones) often have plain plastic, boxy bodies......Sony XL-88, Sony XL-88D, London Decca Reference, JMAS MIT-1, Fidelity Research FR-7f and FR-7fz 🤪
No cartridge design warrants the cost of $10,000, $12,000, $15,000, $20,000 today unless it contains one-piece solid diamond stylus/cantilever.
The fancy exotic-looking stone bodies of the Koetsus (Tiger-Eye, Onyx Platinum, Jade Platinum, Azule, Rhodonite, Coralstone, Blue Lace) are cynical marketing strategies aimed at wealthy audiophile dilettantes.
They do nothing for the 'sound' of the cartridges other than 'colour' them 😡

'Normal' Audiophiles🙃....and reviewers, generally don't have the use of two turntables, 6 tonearms and 40-50 cartridges (old and new) to enable direct listening comparisons.
I hope that this Thread provides the platform to actually 'hear' the differences between multiple cartridges on various tonearms so that everyone can decide for themselves whether 'new' is better than 'old'.

And for those who think that YouTube videos are limited to MP3 quality sound.....
YouTube currently streams in 128 kbps ACC in an MP4 container when you select the Normal quality. Premium subscribers can also select the High quality, which streams at 256 kbps AAC (equal quality to GPM's 320 CBR kbps).

I never gave those Koetsus much attention, but your links made me take a closer look at their pricing as well as their specs. It appears they’re all the same cartridges with the same silver coils, platinum magnets and boron cantilevers (not even diamond cantilevers at these prices). And yet the price differential between the ’cheapest’ Onyx and dearest Blue Lace is $5000!!!!! Talk about cynical. I almost feel sorry for the folks who buy into this nonsense.

The original record is certainly expensive Dhcod......
I can assure you I didn't pay the prices asked for these 🤯
About 10 years ago, they did a reissue in a TRIPLE BOXED SET which was reasonably priced.
It appears that supply of this set may no longer be available, however you could pick up some bargain copies at MUSICSTACK or the complete reissued set at DISCOGS.
Good luck...
And yet the price differential between the ’cheapest’ Onyx and dearest Blue Lace is $5000!!!!!
Isn't it an outrage Edgewear....🤬
At least Koetsu have a neat formula for launching new and evermore expensive models......change the stone-type 🤗
But what about all the other manufacturers....?
Having managed to ramp-up the prices for second-rate MC cartridges...how do you justify even higher prices for the new MODELS?
Those well-heeled audiophiles who have bought their $15,000 Uber cartridges believing them to be the 'best', are not about to 'downsize' to a $10,000 cartridge next year.
They believe that higher performance comes with higher prices...
So to justify even higher prices and tempt this hapless group of willing audiophiles, the manufacturers are desperately adding diamond cantilevers (Ortofon Century and Anna Diamond) and other 'gimmicks' whilst being unable to develop any real progressive intellectual design solutions.
You can fool some of the people.......