Me vs. JL Audio - An open discussion.

Room correction will only take you so far...(MHO...)

Ears and 'taste' (levels, xover, all that...) is the final %.

Having to 'make do' with 'non-pedigree' equipment for decades....but applying what now amounts to decades of 'tuning for the room' with a variety of 'things' to integrate such...

...I'm still slightly stunned and vaguely amazed that y'all 'don't get it'.

'Perfection', outside of a 'live' performance or sitting at the mix panel, is something you're simply trying to duplicate to the 'sonic image' you have in your head; and Really...nowhere else.

You can spend XK$ in this pursuit....and still 'fall short'....IYHO.

And...you're welcome to it.

(I've been really tempted to show up at AXPONA '20...Just Because. ;)  You'll recognise me...the one with the ear muffs on...
Why?  Because it's tiring to listen to 'all that', constantly.  And, listening to Anything in a hotel room isn't where I'd ultimately have 'it'...)

Yes, you are certainly welcome to regard me as an 'unwashed, no-nothing, uneducated' troll.  I'm good with that.  It also 'shows to go ya' you have absolutely no knowledge about me.

...and I'm absolutely Fine with That. *G* ;)

asvjerry. No, I’m pretty sure you’ve just told us everything there is to know about you...

...and you've stumbled into the 'alternate definition' of 'assume'....

Simplistic; try again.

I actually agree that room correction, measurements can only take you so far.... but man, if you don't get that starting point right, you haven't even gotten to the right country.

Getting the crossover/phase matching right is super hard to do by ear.

Figuring out the room modes that need to be quashed is also super hard. That's what the tools do really well.
That basic starting point is super difficult to do and get right.
Once you have that, sure, tilt the bass response, and adjust the level to please yourself.

And, expensive as they are, the tilt and level setting in addition to the subwoofer integration is something the JL Audio room correction gets very very right.

Erik, I suspect that you & I aren't on 'opposite sides of the country' as much as one may assume...;)

As for the 'start point'...one begins with The 1st Assumption.  Set up, check, run the experiment... ("Well, that sounds like...*expletive*" *sigh*)

This goes on until one arrives @ The 'Best' Compromise.  What one has within what space it's in.....sounding less like *expletive*, more like "I can live with This....for Now."

Room modes....*L*  One can run about with calibrated mikes until a spectator thinks you're into an insane calisthenic routine.  All the while, attempting to discern IF this will make or break what you're trying to accomplish....

...and this with 'white' and/or 'pink'.  Play 3 different genres of music...

If one is lucky, One will sound 'acceptable'....the others, *Ehh*

Notice I've not addressed 'nuance'....nor 'detail, timbre, 'port *whoosh*', or any of the other bugs that bugger the other mortals that inhabit AG.

Crossover type/slope/points?  Start with 'spec', consider what's being crossed why/how/where..."Assumption 47B", if you will. *L*

Now...consider that I'm a fan of dipoles...and omnis.

In a concrete and steel space that would likely have most packing things up and listening to a 'boom box' when not having a pair of ear plugs with the BT'd player keeping their relative sanity intact.

And this given space is Temporary.  It's gone on longer that I would like, but building up our business has kinda taken precedence over any other concerns....  One has to pay the bills, and theoretically 'grow' same.

That's finally paying off; enough that I can spend a certain amount of time attempting to explain myself...where/what/how in This Regard, audio and the pursuit of....

Anyway...*kicks soapbox aside"...Merry Xmas, huh? *G*  And Happy Pre-New Year to you and your family.  

Fair warning, tho'....'20 is going to be an extremely busy year for yours truly.  I shan't be able to enjoy your company or that of others here...or much of any other forums I've tried to haunt.

Consider it a blessing, I suppose...*shrug*G*

Regards, J