Cartridge loading

Dear @atmasphere  : please don't change the words. You posted several times:

  "" will limit the ability of the cartridge to trace higher frequencies .."""

where are the evidence of that " limit to trace ".

Damping effect is one thing and trace/tracking isssue in the cartridge is a way different subject.

I thinkthat now we are talking of different issues. Palmer proved to you and all that there is not that such " limit trace/tracking " in the cartridge abilities and in that thread no one including you had nothing on hand ( evidence. ) to refute the Palmer true facts:

""  certainly not on tracking which is demonstrably false based on IM tests on tracking performance that I have incidentally performed as a function of load . ""

and in your last post in this thread now you are changing and talking only that : "

"  damping limits high frequencies ..." when for years you said " trace " ( including in this thread.



Btw for those gentlemans that don't know or forgot whom is Palmer here what he posted about in that thread when some one asked for:

"""  may not be a renowned Audio Designer, but I am a somewhat renowned IC designer with credits that include cell phone transceivers and high performance opamps.

I focused on high performance high speed amps like the AD843, 845 (at one point an audio darling), 846 (also a transimpedance design with some very interesting design aspects that I gave an ISSCC paper on) etc. etc. mostly using a complementary bipolar process that I helped develop that I believe was also used in the AD797. I also did things like designing the FET based AD736/737 RMS-DC converter and others.
I moved on to more RF, disk drive read/write, GSM, CDMA etc. transceivers, signal processing, PLL and DSP designs .."""



He was  a leader team at Analog Devices and like all the engeenering gentlemans that works as a leaders in those kind of companies ( in the past National and today B&B/Texas Instrument and the like. ) Palmer has not only a top electronics/electrical knowledge levels and skills and tools where belongs his opinion foundations. Extreme high credentials.

He worked too in UK in Decca in the recording overall production and then retired and as free-lance is an advisor of manufacturers and through specific internet forums and individual persons that needs his services.


R.

please don't change the words. You posted several times:

  "" will limit the ability of the cartridge to trace higher frequencies .."""

I didn't. There is nothing above that suggests I did other than your text.

Useless with you. Keep talking with no true evidence of that " limit cartridge trace/tracking " due to loading changes. Only your bla, bla that at least for me is not enough because I have very low understand to with out evidence.

@lewm did you know how much " force " do you need to apply/need/ at the base of the cantilever to really impedes at the stylus tip position its free movements, a tiny movement? no? then what are you talking about? yes? please let us know?. and please no bla, bla like your friend but true evidence.
Btw, do you know the " power forces/inertia " generated at the stylus tip when ridding the grooves at 33/45 rpm and what " force " is need it to " limit the trace " of the stylus tip to track when appliyed that force/loading at the other end of the cantilever?

For the five time in this thread: Palmer is the only gentleman that did it his technical job where he found out no single evidence of that " limit trace " by the cartyridge loading. Is the only gentleman that posted true evidence but obviously as your friend you don't beleive him with out reason by your part.

Btw, you participated in that " party " of your friend and you was dancing with emotion when posted that you preffer listen to your MC cartridges at 47K ! ! From that same time/moment your credibility with me in that specific regards goes down/falls.

R.

 Raul, it may shock you to learn that my credibility with you or lack thereof is not a matter that concerns me a great deal. We disagree on many many things, and you know that.  But you have absolutely no grounds to say that a 47K load on a LOMC cartridge sounds best to me in my system in my house with my equipment. Your system is almost a direct antithesis of mine to begin with, and you have never been in my house. Here it is not even a matter of disagreement. I seek understanding, and I am getting some understanding by reading the posts of Palmer, Ralph, and Dave Slagle. Perhaps I could thank you for being provocative, so I can learn from those other  persons.  The only thing I can be said to have contributed to this discussion is the concept that there must be a back EMF generated at the coil of a cartridge, just like the back EMF that is generated at the coil of an electromagnetic loudspeaker.  There seems to be general agreement that that is the case. After that, I am all ears and I do not pretend to be a source of knowledge. Yes, Ralph is my friend, and so is Dave. That has nothing to do with anything.

who is this "palmer" and can someone point me to the relevant posts of his regarding this subject?

dave