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Preamp Output Capacitor: Mundorf Supreme vs. Supreme Silver Oil

Anyone compared the bass response of these two caps?  I bought the Supremes for trial purposes and really loved what they did to my system's imaging (front to back layering) and immediately bought the Silver Gold Oil Supremes.  Unfortunately while they were smoother, more beautiful, and even better at imaging, they had no bass (actually, they lost bass as they broke in).  Anyone know how the Silver Oil's fit into the line?  

I'm using them in a Don Sach's DS2 Preamp ( https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/7983).  

Thanks.
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wig
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@ t_ramey

Former Caps in DS2 Pre were 0.47 Miflex.

@ grannyring

Will also explore the CuTF bypass, I understand that this combo gives better extension at the top end. After this mod, I would have been in the ballpark in terms of price for the Deulunds but there is no down side to V-Caps and glad it worked out : )

Wig
t_ramey
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Sweet, thanks wig.

I was wanting to go with the Miflex in my preamp but they’re just too damn big and thankfully grannyring came along with the ODAM suggestion. They’re smaller and cheaper than the Miflex so I’m looking forward to trying them. I did place an order for the CuTF .01 too!
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@t_ramey I think you made the right decision.  As I stated earlier, I wasn't really impressed with the Miflex's, unless you're system is focused entirely on tone at the expense of imaging.
ricgoretti
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My technician was able to install inside Don Sachs pré in addition to the Miflex 0.47 uF the Jupiter Copper Foil 2.2 uF for my Accuphase P-6100 which has 20 Kohms input. It is still early to definitive conclusions but the bass is certainly much more evident, fuller and more realistic timbre compared to Miflex, I believe that due to more correct capacitance. A larger capacitor would not be possible. In the future maybe bypass with the V-Cap CuTF or Duelund copper or silver (0.01 uF).
mozartfan
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 could not afford the M Supremes. I am going with M SGO, white casing. 
Hopefully Richard Grey is doodling around his shop come monday morn. He is agaisnt swapping the stock caps for M's. 
We have like 20 caps to swap out on the Cayin Cd17 Mark1,,,,I'll posta   YT vid after the mod.

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/mundorf-silver-gold-in-oil-supreme-caps-any-good


https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts/185374-caps-mundorf-silver-oil-vs-silver-gold-oil-2.html


I went with these EVO OIl SGO...I attempted to read through and try to understand the dif twix all the caps offered by M, but really could not figure out why the Supremes were *so much superior* to all other offerings. 
The lower priced EVO SGO made my decision.
I am not buying into this *Supreme* thing with M. I think the added *Supreme* is ~~Snake-oil~ pun intended., as it is most likely the truth. Who can tell twixa  Supreme vs * regular* SGO??? 
make A/B testing, honestly , who could tell which set up has the S and which the *ordinary*???
As I say, hopefully Richard is round about his shop and will make the mod.
Will post a YT vid , ASAP

https://www.mundorf.com/en/?category=hifi&menu=caps_audio&content=mcap_evo_silvergold.oil

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