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There's a lot more bass in a 6.5" driver than most of you think

One topic of discussion I often see new audiophiles touch on is whether to get larger speakers for more bass.

I usually suggest they tune the room first, then re-evaluate. This is based on listening and measurement in several apartments I’ve lived in. Bigger speakers can be nothing but trouble if the room is not ready.


In particular, I often claim that the right room treatment can make smaller speakers behave much larger. So, to back up my claims I’d like to submit to you my recent blog post here:

https://speakermakersjourney.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-snr-1-room-response-and-roon.html


Look at the bass response from those little drivers! :)


I admit for a lot of listeners these speakers won’t seem as punchy as you might like, but for an apartment dweller who does 50/50 music and theater they are ideal for me. If you’d like punchy, talk to Fritz who aligns his drivers with more oomf in the bass.


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asvjerry
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...and best back to you, Eric. *S*  And, yes, I noted the cut vs. boost detail...it's all in how the parametric is set.  This I'm confident you know of this....;)

I've got an old SAE '2 band' (high & low) 2 channel set up in my shop area to tame my 'low rent' arrays into a 'reasonable' affair.  Beats trying to massage the receiver's tone controls to be acceptable. *G*

I will concur...an AMT is not a true ribbon, but they are less finicky and durable.  That, and they can go down to 500 hz before loosing 'credence' at least to my ears...

I don't discount your traps, oh no.  My current space makes such impractical; this Will change in the short future.  At that juncture, I shall respond in my typical 'knee of jerk' Xsperimental fashion. *G*

I have 'something' I want to try....;)   My take on 'nothing ventured, blame yourself' department. 

That, and a spouse that absolutely refuses to live in a 'studio'...so I have to be...'artful' about it...;)   Blobs (or even GIK panels) 'don't fly' well about her...(she's quite aware of 'hi-fi devious tricks' from living with me for wayyy long time...).

Subtlety in the Long Game.  And it works best if not permanent, so one can beat a hasty retreat....;)  We both (she & I) have our reasons.....
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asvjerry
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....my 'semi-consciousness' dredges up the odd 'musical interlude' from time to time.....
Last night, This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3W1-Pco9Uk

I have no control over this....*G*....but I'm happy it did. ;)

Substitute 'Vivianne' for 'Marion' and Bob will appreciate the return to 'accuracy'....;)

Best, and better, J
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arcticdeth
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My speakers do have good low end, but compared to my cerwin vega D9’s, it’s not even close.

currently use Energy rc-70s’, bass is descent and right, fills my room nicely.

it is a huge front room, with vaulted 16” ceilings, sound is great!

 Drug up my old 1986 cerwin vega D-9’s 
not even close, not in the same town!

vega 15”’res are so tight, precise, deep, and loud, sure with specific music the Energy’s shine, then hook up the Vegas w Travers, derringer, king diamond, foghta, it’s not even close.

 But I love my Energy’s,  they are my grail towers!
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It's the flat earth perspective Erik, no-one thinking properly could possibly be as obnoxious or noisome so consistently.
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I have found that the reason to use an active sub is not primarily to extend the bass frequencies, but because it adds greater transparency to the overall sound. I also find that it enhances the quality of the bass, and so it also helps with floor standing speakers that reach down adequately on their own. Why is this? I have no idea, but I heard confirmation of this from more experienced audiophiles. Perhaps it's because the active sub provides a sort of "bi-amping" for the lowest frequencies. 
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