Phono Preamp Tube Rush


Is there such a thing as a tube phono stage that doesn't have tube rush? Is it just an inherent weakness of that type of pre or is it some combination of cartridge gain and preamp gain? I went from a silent solid state ASR Basis Exclusive to a Herron VTPH-2A (new home with space limitations) and now I'm using a Hagerman Trumpet with my Decca London Super Gold. Both the Herron and Hagerman have tube rush. The Hagerman beats the Herron in my setup and it really sounds incredible but in quiet passages and between songs, there's that hiss at high-medium and high volume. It's just there. No combination of new tubes, new cables, etc changes this fact. Same with the Herron. Anyone having a different experience with a tube phono preamp?
dhcod
Thanks for clarifying.

I am fundamentally opposed to Moving Coil because of the extra amplification involved. I don't even want to hear a fabulous one, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole.

My Preamp, 55 years old, when direct to the integrated amp's bypass pre-in, then gets all volume from the preamp. In that use, I start to get noise, hum, around 11 o'clock position. It's just above my preferred max. so luckily I stay just below any noise.

I've hosed the internals with contact cleaner, no noises, but hum begins. I've tested my 17 tubes twice, but, to be sure, I ought to try some new ones before I spend some money switching caps .... Oh I'm keeping it, even if it needs spending some money.

Using my preamp into a line input, volume is created elsewhere, no hum from pre-amp even when system cranked. 

So, below my typically desired volume, in any configuration, this 55 year old pre-amp is noiseless. 

btw, The preamps FM Tuner, as they say: with a good signal, is superb.

the tube amp, Cayin AT-88, still sold, is dead quiet. Mine is early version with 16 ohm taps, sadly bias adjust is internal.
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Still never heard tube rush.
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btw, McIntosh does not service these, has no parts, and only referred me to 1 local service shop. He has a 12 week cycle for new work. Says he only needs 2-3 hrs work, probably not mush $ in parts. So, I say, put me in the schedule 4 months from now. No, I can't keep track like that. Bring it here, wait 12 weeks till I get to it.
Elliott - I have a family heirloom MX-110Z in my vintage system. The absolute best places to have that worked on IMO and experience are: Randy Vikan at Elite Audio Techician in WA state. and Audio Classics in NY State. I run a Grado into the 110 phono. I am running Telefunken in the critical areas. The Tuner is as good as the MR85. Have fun :-)
Thanks for the suggestions,

What else do you have in that Vintage System? Inheriting my wealthy uncle's system is how I got hooked.

I visit my friend Bill 15 minutes from Binghamton every spring, we photograph waterfalls with plenty of water.

Last year I pre-arranged with McIntosh, to check out my SS amp MC2250 and SS Preamp C28. I was going to sell them.

dropped off Thursday before noon, picked up Monday afternoon. Good people. btw, that place is HUGE!

Sold em, bought the mx110z tube tuner/preamp and a Cayin A88T Tube amp, wonderful together. I need 16ohm tap, this early Cayin has them, but, bias adjust is inside.

Anyway, McIntosh said no, mx110z too old, no parts, ... They are making me a new mx110z factory box, $55. and shipping it to me free. 

I figure, I'm not ever parting with it, why not have it checked out, probably will need a box.

Audio Classics is a few miles closer to my friend than they are. I'll call them and see what they say.

Sorry to OP for my off topic trip.

No worries. Enjoying the diversion on this horrible day.