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Why go out???

Just returned from watching Knives Out at one of these supposedly premium theaters. Well the seats at least are premium. Big, reclining, and comfortable enough. None of the usual crammed in like cattle feel. That's it for the good news. For some unfathomable reason the theaters are numbered but without movie names. We walk down the hall, not one name or even a poster. We weren't the only ones, another couple was roaming around wondering where to go. 

The screen was (Guessing) not even 16:9 and with awful grainy coarse quality which you think well it'll be better for the feature but no, its not! Who in this millennium shows movies in pan and scan? Woodinville! Hard to believe this is the only one- let me know! 

In case you're wondering no, this isn't me being audio/videophile finicky, my wife was complaining all the way home! My projector is Sony, not even the latest, not even 4K, and no Blu-Ray I'm a Pirate Bay/RARBG scofflaw kinda guy, all movies watched off the MacBook Pro (with ECT, and the system is to die for but still....) MY WIFE was complaining! She actually thought it was worse than me! (Well I make allowances, but still...)

What gets me is, I've seen and know how good movies can be. Seen Lawrence, Hamlet, My Fair Lady etc in 70mm. Hateful Eight in 70mm too but that one the projectionist clearly didn't know what he was doing. Beside the point. Cinema should be an experience. A memorable experience. Hamlet was. My Fair Lady was. This one was memorable only in the sense that we will remember not to come back.

Time was not all that long ago no amount of money would get you to cinema quality. But now? Cinema has descended, home theater (IF you do it right!) is actually better. Not a little either. WAY better!

Is it me?Or are they killing the motion picture industry?

Why go out? 
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millercarbon OP
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Exactly. Its like with cameras, megapixels don't matter. 

The most impressive cinema I know is the Tigard in Oregon. From far out in the parking lot it just looks like a movie theater. Not a drab concrete box. The large lobby is flanked by concessions with a grand wide and gently sweeping ramp leading up to the main theater. So none of this wandering down long dark halls searching for #11.

Inside the screen is huge, the seats comfortable, and the sound the best I've heard. The system floats a rock solid image just like the sound stage of any really good system should be. 

Here at home (Redmond, WA) we hardly ever go out to a movie. Every single time in Oregon though I look for the chance to go to Tigard. Going for the lowest common denominator the movie industry has totally missed the boat.
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... [Edward] Norton calls on moviegoers to be vocal about ensuring movie theaters are running projection and sound at top quality because in most cases around the country they are not.

“A lot of filmmakers and cinematographers that I know that have really started to look into this say that more than 60 percent of American theaters are running their projector at almost half the luminosity that they’re required by contract to run it at,” Norton said. “They are delivering crappy sound and a dim picture, and no one is calling them on it.”

Norton continued, “If [movie theaters] were delivering what they’re supposed to be delivering, people would be going, ‘Wow, this is amazing, I do not get this at home’…Well, I want people to literally walk into their theater and find the manager and say, ‘If this looks dark, you’re giving me my money back. Because I’m paying — and at the ArcLight, I’m paying premium — for a premium experience.'”

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/edward-norton-spielberg-netflix-theaters-destroying-movies-1202181698/?fbclid=IwAR3FucDOk_6igg4bmANTwSd2MA49SzAd49YjMtxAjIgGgWNgqIqraIKyTxE 

Good, and necessary advice from Mr. Norton here. Be sure to address and complain about any issues you may experience to the manager of the theatre you're attending, be that technical issues or otherwise. And don't let anyone bring along your problem to the manager; instead go to him or her directly in whatever way possible - either (preferably) face-to-face, by mail or telephone. 

A majority of theatres may have 4K projectors by now, but that's not at all to say they're showing their films in 4K. In fact, most don't. From what I'm aware of most films still have a 2K digital intermediate (their native image resolution), and even films with 4K DI's are usually shown in 2K at the theatres, because their 4K DCP counterpart is a more expensive package. 

I remember a few years ago when I called the biggest theater chain here in Denmark asking them whether they were showing their films in 4K, if the DI allowed, and I was told "We have 4K projectors installed," the person saying that feeling quite comfortable it settled the matter. When I inquired further whether that meant they were actually showing films in 4K there was a moment of silence, until: "I'll have to ask the manager about that." I never heard back from them on this, even though I requested it repeatedly. Years have passed, and I'm now being told, when I recently asked a technician prior to a film viewing, that on rare occasions they are now showing films in 4K. Another theater chain, Cinemaxx, have shown their films in 4K whenever possible for years already.

A great home theater.. that is, a very capable 2-channel home set-up with proper dynamic range/headroom, extension to at least 25-30Hz (preferably via separate subs), lots of radiation area, etc. with a great and big OLED screen from the likes of LG or Sony (or a great 4K projector), not least sourced via UHD discs, will pale most commercial cinemas (expect perhaps some IMAX venues). 

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A great home theater.. that is, a very capable 2-channel home set-up with proper dynamic range/headroom, extension to at least 25-30Hz (preferably via separate subs), projector...

Home theater!
2-channel!
SubS PLURAL!!

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Home theater!
2-channel!
SubS PLURAL!!

Sorry. You got too many things right. Rendered speechless.

Yeah, I was really on a roll there, wasn't I? ... Have always found a capable 2-channel set-up, one we'd normally regard a music-only ditto, to be quite excellent for Home Theater duties. That is, fortunately a "capable" system in my view is one that has the qualities mentioned in my earlier post, because the rationale has always been to counter a potential investment in surround channels - with all that entails in regards to processor and extra amps and speakers - against the scenario of upgrading the existing basic 2-channel gear towards the unified quality of "grunt and refinement." There's usually a lot of effort made in "audiophilia" into achieving refinement, but for the most part it equates into fuzzing over minute details of that lower left corner on the canvas instead of pulling back and seeing it in its entirety. That entirety is including aspects that falls under the category of "grunt" - such as approaching sufficient headroom, dynamic capabilities, sheer radiation area, etc. - and yet it links intrinsically to refinement as well.  

Contrary to how some may view this, that a music and a Home Theater set-up are two separat entities perhaps with different goals, I feel that when meeting or approaching the needs of physics in sound reproduction, and this applies especially to speakers/subs/acoustics, it's really not about one or the other here, but rather what serves both of these "realms." Getting the meat and potatoes right, my dear Miller lad - that's what it boils down to. Plural subs and all, and those missing surround and center channels be damned. 
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Well said. Have you seen my Home Theater Done Right thread? You could just cut and paste your second paragraph above, it would be perfect.
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