Help me understand John Coltrane .... seriously.


Hi Everyone,
Listen I have a favor to ask, and those of you better educated in Jazz can help me.

I always have a tough time listening to John Coltrane. It's like he's talking a different language.
Can any of you point me to recordings I should listen to on Tidal or Quboz or whatever that set me up to better appreciate the man?


Thank you for the musical education.

Best,

E
erik_squires
I studied tenor sax from Grades 4 through 12 and my music teacher was a retired jazz musician.  Coltrane is what is known as a "progressive" jazz players.  Progressives use a lot of atonality, which can sound like they're playing the wrong notes, and they also don't strictly observe things like rhythm and meter.  Coltrane got more progressive as the years went on. I used to imitate him by. just hitting sax keys at random, which my bandmates thought was pretty funny. I much prefer "traditional" jazz players who are more melodic like Stan Getz on tenor, Paul Desmond on alto and Gerry Mulligan on baritone.  But if you're still interested in exploring Coltrane, he did an album with Duke Ellington - quartet of piano, sax, bass and drums -- which is about as accessible as Coltrane gets.  
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"Progressives use a lot of atonality, which can sound like they're playing the wrong notes, and they also don't strictly observe things like rhythm and meter."
Hmmmm, that explains it.
I think they are aware of the rhythm and meter but they are allowing themselves to not adhere to traditional rules regarding rhythm and meter.
I can't tell you how many times I've been listening to a jazz group that I was sure was totally lost regarding the form, only to have them suddenly come back together and prove me wrong.