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There's a lot more bass in a 6.5" driver than most of you think

One topic of discussion I often see new audiophiles touch on is whether to get larger speakers for more bass.

I usually suggest they tune the room first, then re-evaluate. This is based on listening and measurement in several apartments I’ve lived in. Bigger speakers can be nothing but trouble if the room is not ready.


In particular, I often claim that the right room treatment can make smaller speakers behave much larger. So, to back up my claims I’d like to submit to you my recent blog post here:

https://speakermakersjourney.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-snr-1-room-response-and-roon.html


Look at the bass response from those little drivers! :)


I admit for a lot of listeners these speakers won’t seem as punchy as you might like, but for an apartment dweller who does 50/50 music and theater they are ideal for me. If you’d like punchy, talk to Fritz who aligns his drivers with more oomf in the bass.


erik_squires
erik_squires OP
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Thanks for the audioxpress article, very interesting about phase and zero phase in recording and playback. It seems like the effects of phase linearity and accuracy are subtle, also.  


You are welcome. One thing I like about Toole a great deal is we hear the same things. Others may find phase and phase linearity big deals, and for them it might be but after lots of listening to Thiel and Vandersteen it is not that big a deal for me. I was thinking of playing with rePhase and Roon to attempt this digitally, but after reading that I'm going to forget about it.

Thanks again for your honest and useful advice.

My pleasure. Glad I helped, I envy your ability to get so much gear installed.  Much more than I can do in an apartment.
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asvjerry
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Happy Saturday to all...*S*

Hey, Eric...this appeared in the 'cunning trick' forum...

https://audioxpress.com/files/attachment/2689

...and I thought you'd enjoy it.  The speakers shown over a major mix board may be just a 'trade trick' (sic), but it definitely fits within your proposition. ;)

Cheerfulls, J
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asvjerry
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'Ell, even I'd buy a pair....*L*
erik_squires OP
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@asvjerry

Yep, though all those measurements were quasi-anechoic, while mine are in-room. :)  Plus, those are meant to be near-field monitors. The measurements are overall not atypical for a two way. Shame that built in correction for boundary reinforcement isn't easy/typical in passive and home speakers.
erik_squires OP
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So much misinterpretation. I’ll quote the good Floyd Toole where he explicitly discusses his feelings on the importance of using EQ:

So, if one has a known neutral loudspeaker what does "room EQ" bring to the party? Above about 500 Hz, very little that is reliable - mostly general spectral trends; not detailed irregularities, for reasons mentioned in my last post. At low frequencies equalization is almost certainly beneficial and easily measured steady-state data are all that is necessary.


The full posting is below:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/an-enticing-marketing-story-theory-withou...

So, there we have it. Toole explicitly says that EQ is "almost certainly beneficial" for bass frequencies. Stop arguing that he said something else.

I’m done.
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