The Truth about Modern Class D


All my amps right now are Class D. ICEpower in the living room, and NAD D 3020 in the bedroom.

I’ve had several audiophiles come to my home and not one has ever said "Oh, that sounds like Class D."

Having said this, if I could afford them AND had the room, I’d be tempted to switch for a pair of Ayre monoblocks or Conrad Johnson Premiere 12s and very little else.

I’m not religious about Class D. They sound great for me, low power, easy to hide, but if a lot of cash and the need to upgrade ever hits me, I could be persuaded.

The point: Good modern Class D amps just sound like really good amplifiers, with the usual speaker/source matching issues.

You don’t have to go that route, but it’s time we shrugged off the myths and descriptions of Class D that come right out of the 1980’s.
erik_squires

atmasphere7,984 posts02-26-2020 3:39am
The ones around now using GaN’s are either dinky little office type class-D’s or expensive ones that haven’t utilized the technology as far as Technics did.
This statement is false. The Technics amplifier is only 150 watts, which is similar power as many of its GanFET competition.


asvjerry Well, until someone somewhere puts these two competing amps between a pair of quality speakers with ditto level cables....and source up to par to the task....

It remains conjecture, and opinion.

Really?? your cred if any just took a big dive too, if you think for one micro second these two 150w Class-D GaN amps could possibly sound as good as each other.

https://orchardaudio.com/bosc 0.9kg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e1/ce/1a/e1ce1a9c552aa57530ad2804c9067800.jpg 54kg
This thread is now a closed time loop of condescension and claims without evidence or logic.

Lets have it closed and stand as a monument to the character of the contributors.
Class d amplification development is similar to digital format source, began with 16/44, then 24/96 to 32-bit/768kHz, in future will be....
Here’s my worthless 2 cent contribution which I may have posted about previously. When Paul McGowen of PS Audio set out to make a world class amplifier (at a "reasonable" price) he built custom input stages coupled to I believe Hypex modules at the time (not the very top model since he was using his own input stage anyway) He was quite happy with his design and brought it to the late Arnie Nudell’s (founder of Infinity) sound room to play on his prototype new smaller IRS speakers. When compared to Arnie’s custom tube amp he had commissioned, Paul’s designs continued to fall flat compared to Arnie’s reference, try after try. I believe he finally told Paul if he wanted to build a world class amplifier he’d have to scrap the project and hire Bascomb King (of Constellation, Marantz, Infinity as well as a respected reviewer/measurement writer) to design the amp from scratch. The design he came up with was MOSFET class AB and Bascome’s design beat Arnie’s reference, (which he promptly sold to make room for a BHK.)

I think it’s amazing that Paul kept his public informed along each advance and setback over the years. The time I waited for the BHK line to be released was worth it,

The R&D on Class D may have helped later with their lower priced amps, and from what I’ve read they sound really good, but there is a reason the MOSFET amps exist as their flagships.

Incidentally, Paul was very anti tube and PS had never released a tube product. Bascom convinced him to at least listen to a tube input stage. It was agreed and even planned to release the BHK’s with two input options, one tube and one solid state, built on tube socket for easy switching. But once they auditioned the two designs, it wasn’t even worth releasing the solid state version, and PS Audio had its first tube product and achieved its goal to be a top contender in amps (especially the mono blocks, which were conceived as a convenience option with only 50 watts more, but who’s balanced design once rolled off the assembly line and heard for the very first time proved to reveal another level of sonics above the stereo version. Of the few people that have heard the BHK (I imagine the mono) versus the much more expensive and top reviewed Constellation, they preferred the BHK.


You are saying this 0.9kg 150w Gan amp
https://orchardaudio.com/bosc

Will not be shamed by this Technics SE-R1 54kg 150w GaN amp
Nope. Didn't say that. I merely pointed out that class D circuits have to be compact. The above is a Strawman logical fallacy; thus inherently false.