I use a B&K 885 inductance and capacitance meter to measure components as I go. Personally I just use Dayton 1% precision or Audyn's (not the expensive ones) and sometimes Sonicaps because they have values I need. If they measure the same I figure they sound the same and save my money. The few times I did try expensive caps I regretted doing so and felt that money would have been better spent elsewhere.
Mundorf Silver Caps
Need some personal testimonies from mods employing Mundorf top line caps, Supremes, Silver OIl.
I just had 8 M SGO caps installed in my cayin CD17 Mark1 and have found excellent results., In spite of the many critics who suggested <waste of money>>
There is a YT vid froma japenese tech who can not find any superior testing froma more expensive cap, and has doubts to the value of modding with new caps,...Yet there is another YT tech who employs M caps and has the units up for a sound test.
I can actually hear the superior mod with new M caps through my $10 computer speakers ,,in fact i hear a HUGE sonic gain.
I have plans to mod a new tube preamp i plan to add later this year and have my Defy7 recaed with M SGO caps. + My Speakers xovers with new M SGO caps.
I am sure jadis uses high quality caps, but high quality is not M caps.
I bet any money Jadis employs aluminum caps, whereas M caps are silver.
I just had 8 M SGO caps installed in my cayin CD17 Mark1 and have found excellent results., In spite of the many critics who suggested <waste of money>>
There is a YT vid froma japenese tech who can not find any superior testing froma more expensive cap, and has doubts to the value of modding with new caps,...Yet there is another YT tech who employs M caps and has the units up for a sound test.
I can actually hear the superior mod with new M caps through my $10 computer speakers ,,in fact i hear a HUGE sonic gain.
I have plans to mod a new tube preamp i plan to add later this year and have my Defy7 recaed with M SGO caps. + My Speakers xovers with new M SGO caps.
I am sure jadis uses high quality caps, but high quality is not M caps.
I bet any money Jadis employs aluminum caps, whereas M caps are silver.
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Um, happy to see all the Mundorf fandom, but I'm going to take a contrarian view. I've always found the Mundorf Supreme's over saturated with color. Not sibilant, but cool, and colorful. I prefer Clarity CMR for these reasons. I find them less euphonic and more natural, in the sense of sounding more like what I hear in person. With all things, buy what you like. I only make my personal observatiopns here. B&W, Magico and YG however don't agree with me. :) |
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I've always found the Mundorf Supreme's over saturated with color. Not sibilant, but cool, and colorful. I prefer Clarity CMR for these reasons. I find them less euphonic and more natural, in the sense of sounding more like what I hear in person. " I agree completely. I find the fancy caps really are flavoring music to someones preference and they are not neutral. Kind of like tube amps sound warm compared to ss amps used in performance by various artists in real life. Using something like a Xilica DSP and bi-amping will allow you to duplicate any tone you want and then change it later if you wish in any way you can imagine. I recap old crossovers on speakers I am refurbing for sale but my personal system is 100% active now. I see some of these people spend thousands on caps which work for one set of speakers only. The same money would buy amps and the Xilica and work with any system. |
I’ve looked over various cap labs, seems Mundorf offers at least 6+ lines of caps. Seems this lab has done its homework, and i am very impressed at their web site offerings. I see a YT tech guy who offers mods, uses ~~Mundorf’s~~ as per clients request ,,of course,,,but i am confident he has no issues fufilling that order. He posts YT vids on his mods,,and I can actually hear the huge sonic gains in his mods via my $10 comp speakers. I just had some M SGO (6 white cap/not supremes + 2 Silver Supremes) and I can hear more dynamics which the cayin stock caps, Real caps , blocked via cheaply made 2 cent chinese caps. I’ve had tech guys, Richard Grey in that group ~~Wasting your money on caps,,,a cap is a cap,,is a cap,,,so goes their mantra. Well to my ears ~~~at least~~ I do believe i am hearing things not heard with cheap stock caps. I still have 8 more small caps to employ,,just waiting on M to make that size, the Ebay seller says, will arrive any day,,,it is the .022 cap. . Now the mod charge was $250, as it was a pre fab board, and not a easy solder. Richard Grey said he wouldn’t touch that type of mod..I am very glad I got it done. Now opens the doors for further upgrades. I would not be happy addinga new Class A preamp, the Cayin SC^ with cheap caps in the cayin cd17.mark1. As mentioned I am going all M SGO caps in the 1) cayin SC6 Mark2 2) Jadis Defy(Not sure how many there, as it is quite a few caps,,have to talk with Richard and see where the critical caps are in that schematic). 3) all new M SGO + 2 Spremes Black casing SGO 10UF (they are huge and i picked up a pair at a good price on Ebay,,now i need to add another 8 UF to that point in the xover, so going witha 8uf SGO white casing. All these mods will takea year,to complete,,as my tube flipping has beena financial disaster = taking a huge loss. That ~~Fiasco ~~ has set me back 6 months on the purchse of the Cayin preamp. anyway,,back to M caps, I use them, as they seem to know what they are doing, and I am a believer a nice cap will cost ya. I do not want to go with low priced caps, then years later change them out. As I say, if we cut open one of the other caps mentioned,,then a M cap, the construction quality might be evident. We are talking about nuances here, and i am aware a superior cap might sound ~~~similiar~~ toa lower budget cap,,,But think about it,,,folks were sucked into all sorts of ~~snakeoil~~~ past 10 yrs or so,,with ~~~high quality cables~~~ Pinched waist tubes,,,,,getter tubes, Holy Grail tubes,,and all such nonsense,,paying exhorbitant sums for these ~~gimicks~~ Caps are ~~the real deal~~~, Its my opinion, cap mods will become the next biggest thing in audiophile universe. The old cliche which Richard Grey and other tech gurus *if it ain’t broke,,,don’t fix it*** is old school and that philosopy needs to be proven ~~~wrong~~~ I’ve had personal exp so far with the Cayin cd17,,and look for more huge gains with the other 3 components. If Jadis installed M SGO caps, the Defy sale price would run in the $$$$$$$$. Should mention,,,if you are considering going M Supreme’s, these caps are HUGE, and space constraint may be a issue. The lower priced white case caps, are ~~nearly as good~~ and far less expensive> I think the Spremes are a ~~overkill~~ inspite ofa EU tech guy suggesting the Spremes are the better choise. I just don’t see the justification spending that extra cash on a bigger cap,,,... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGWcXN_zsR4 |
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