Maybe being discerning isn't that good for us?


A topic I touch on now and then, I think about what the average person hears, what I hear, and what it means to be discerning. What good is it for us, our community, and the industry?

I’ll touch on a couple of clear examples. I was at a mass DAC shoot out and spoke with one of the few ladies there. To paraphrase her, she said this:

Only with DACs made in the the last few years can I listen to digital music without getting a headache.

I never had that problem, but we both experienced a significant improvement in sound quality at about the same time. Lets take her statement as 100% true for this argument.

On the other hand, I am completely insensitive to absolute phase issues which some claim to be. I’m also VERY sensitive to room acoustics, which many fellow audiophiles can completely ignore.

Lets assume the following:

  • The lady really did get headaches due to some issue with older DACs
  • There really are people very sensitive to absolute phase.

I’ve also found the concept of machine learning, and neural networks in particular truly fascinating. In areas of medical imaging, in specific areas such as breast cancer detection, neural networks can be more accurate than trained pathologists. In the case of detecting early cancer, discernment has an obvious advantage: More accuracy equals fewer unnecessary procedures, and longer lives, with less cost. Outstanding!!

Now what if, like the trained neural networks, I could teach myself to be sensitive to absolute phase? This is really an analog for a lot of other things like room acoustics, cables, capacitors, frequency response, etc, but lets stick to this.

Am I better off? Did I not in fact just go down a rabbit hole which will cause me more grief and suffering? Was I not better before I could tell positive vs. negative recording polarity?

How do you, fellow a’gonner stop yourself, or choose which rabbit holes to go through? Ever wonder if you went down one too many and have to step back?
erik_squires

erik_squires OP

Hook up one speaker out of phase and listen to what happens.


There is a misunderstanding. I am more sensitive to speakers being wired out of phase to each other than a lot of other people.

What I am not sensitive to is the phase of the recording, or as some call it, absolute phase.

>>>>>Where is the Polarity Pundit when you need him?
Re 'women's hearing sensitivities' and an 'in house' note...

Spouse enjoys loud music, but could only enjoy it for a limited time...

"Too shrill, it's fine for awhile but annoying after awhile...." in a time of cones 'n domes in our audio diet.   When I first owned AMT drivers, her listening levels and 'length of'  improved. *G*

Since we've both grown older, her HF 'apprehension' has deteriorated as true for most of us.  Levels?  Still likes to crank the knob UP....*L* ;)

Her 'fave' of late is the SMGa Maggies' that are now part of the herd here.
She enjoys their 'detail'. which reminds her of the AMTs'....

Me?  I'm just happy she likes some of the 'toys'....it's not required that she has the same tastes as me. *G*  We all have our preferences...;)

As for 'phase'. she notices it....

"Why does the stereo sound like sh*t?"  ( I'm doing some re-wiring to check into a detail.....) 

" Well, put back whatever you did....it didn't improve what it sounded like before.  It was better the way it was..."

*G*  I'll keep her.  She's been around my gear for 40+ years now.

She may not be able to describe Exactly and 'properly' What she's noticing, but is a good 'canary in our coal mine'....;)
asvjerry,

"She may not be able to describe Exactly and 'properly' What she's noticing, but is a good 'canary in our coal mine'....;)"


Don't take this the wrong way (is there even a right way?), but those can only be the words of a true audiophile.

I think it might be a great read (not to say also brave on your part) if you could somehow persuade her to post her experiences here as a follow up.




I have a realtor who has sent me hundreds of listings of homes sold in my area and I am totally amazed I have yet to see one home with pictures showing two speakers standing in one room of their house.  I have also seen only a few where they have a built in surround system when watching TV and movies.  How can people purchase a $5,000 entertainment center and listen to the TV speakers.  Why don't they realize 80% of the the experience watching movies is sound?  A good example of this is the new movie, Ford Vs Ferrari.  What is the audio industry doing to make people aware of a good sound system as a new platform for entertainment?  Why aren't they running TV commercials to promote their gear and to promote sound?  No wonder this industry is in trouble.  It is their fault and they should not complain about how bad business is.
larry5729,

When you read some of the extravagant claims made regarding the audio of some of the latest high-end LED and OLED screens you can't really blame the owners for not realising that these plug and play products may not be the last word in sonics.

Whether we can blame the ultra conservative audio industry is another matter. For sure there are some awful sounding TVs out there.