thanks again noromance. Right now I'm a strong lean to the 401. I'm trying to closely match the wood veneer of my Harbeth HL5 Plus speakers in "tiger ebony". As ebony is not cheap, a woodsong ebony plinth is $3800. gulp. thinking ortofon AS 309 tone arm and a Hana HL cart. Trying to source a 401 for 1k, estimated $750 for rebuild, + $3,800 for plinth, Hana EL probably $500 and ortofon AS 309 probably $2500 so all in its estimated to be $8500 ish. same price as the SkyFi (work done by AudioGrail in UK.