Small Office - Wilson vs B&W vs Kef


All hail the collective knowledge of Audiogon  - last time you talked me out of wasting money on upgrading my ceiling speakers (I ended up just buying a Sonos:Amp to power what I already had up there and called it a day).
So now with all of that money saved, I'm toying with the idea of replacing the stereo in my office. I won't even say what I have now (If it ain't got no highs... and it ain't got no lows...). Yeah, you get the gist.
The office is about 11' x 12' - I think this limits the size of the speakers that I'd like to put in there since I won't be sitting very far from the speakers.
Some contenders that I've been toying with:
  • B&W 805 D3
  • Kef Reference 1
  • Wilson Watt/Puppy
Amp is TBD, but I find those blue meters to be strangely attractive...
Thoughts on the selection? Any of these "too big" for my confined space?
Thanks!
eisenb11
The B&W speakers all sound like B&W speakers, in my mind, so you have to want that particular sound. You can’t really exchange them. Make yourself happy.

I am not sure about the Tune tots but may I suggest bespoke speakers from Fritz? The bass in the small 2-way is pretty amazing for the size. Talk to him about your placement issues, he can make you speakers specifically for close-wall placement. I think you’ll find it a better sounding and higher value choice. Fritz uses similar or better drivers but to my ear he tunes them better than Wilson, and can do custom arrangements.  Personally, I prefer the units with the ring radiators.

I am not very familiar with McIntosh, but I ended up with a Luxman integrated and am very happy.


I have the same room size but have made it a little bigger by being a little creative. Take a look here.

https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/7605

I was thinking I have to settle on a small monitor in this room since it is small. Adding the GIK acoustic panels made me think I could get a floor stander in here. My room actually sounds really good with the gear you see in the photos.

Researching DSP approaches convinced me that I can get a bigger speaker in here. My listening is 80% digital and the rest FM radio and a modified SACD/CD player with analog only output.

The speaker I am going to get is the Yamaha NS5000. It is a rather big speaker for a "bookshelf" and has a huge woofer. Not something you would think someone should put into a small room. I am in conversation with a fellow A’goner from Canada who just bought the NS5000 and his room is just a little bigger than mine and not acoustically treated yet.

The feedback from him was that the speaker sounds incredible in a nearfield setup. Even better than at the dealer’s massive room (which makes sense). I also listen at low to mid volume level and keep my office door open. All these help in getting more enjoyable sound in the small room.

These are the following speakers I have gone out and demoed for my office.

Vivid Kaya 45
Magico A3
KEF Reference 1
Yamaha NS5000
Vandersteen Treo CT
Paradigm Persona 3F

Almost all of them were very agreeable with me (except 1), with the Yamaha coming out on top. I also think the Yamaha has the most bass out of all of these speakers, though this is not an important factor for me.

Getting back to DSP. I was looking at hardware based DSP solutions implemented in a preamp or integrated amp. This was limiting to me and not making me happy since I was more interested in preamps and amps that did not have internal DSP (Luxman, Mola Mola). What saved the day for me was learning about doing DSP using convolution files running in ROON or JRiver. My understanding after some research (including reading a book) was that DSP done via convolution files has the capability to outperform the hardware based approaches since there is more control in the configuration settings.

Now I am not a DSP expert so the chances of me utilizing this technology properly is rather low. However, I found out that this DSP convolution file creation can be outsourced and done remotely by DSP audio professionals. The cost was not that expensive based on the quotes I got.

I can give you more details if you are interested via PM. I was just reading today on the Audiostream web site a review of the Sonore OpticalRendu. It is another component in the solution for my office I came up with a few months ago.
Convolution filters attempt to completely perfect the output of a speaker.  They're IMHO over hyped, and limited in their effectiveness.

Better to get speakers you like the sound of and use DSP with a delicate hand. Here's how I used Roon to clean up my own room response.

https://speakermakersjourney.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-snr-1-room-response-and-roon.html