End-Game RCM thoughts/advice


I've been reading lots of posts about various methods of cleaning LPs, and there seems to be important pros and cons for pretty much every method and/or machine I've looked at.  That said:

I have an old VPI 16.5 that works well, and a recently acquired Vinyl Stack and a Chinese 6L US tank (done about 10 LPs in it so far, one at a time.  I think that an US cleaning, followed by rinse/vacuum on the 16.5 sounds better than just using the VPI.... I have not compared fluids/chemistries yet.  I use the Mo-Fi and AIVS fluids for the VPI, and Distilled water, IPA and a tiny bit of Liquinox in the US.....

I am not interested in doing 4 step processes, spending 20-30 minutes per side, etc.  I want great sound, but also want to spend my time listening to LPs, not cleaning them. Not judging, just know myself,.  In any case, I will probably keep the machines I have now (16.5 can be used for multi-step cleaning, if necessary, and Vinyl Stack for cleaning 3 LPs at a time, if I so chose).  (I also have a Spin-Clean and one of the Merrill, spray LP in the sink devices).

I am shopping for a daily driver, that cleans both sides at the same time, and does a great job (if not the absolute best job possible). If vacuum-based, I want someting more 'automated' than the 16.5,without giving up performance, for an US, something quieter than the Chinese US, that also dries, even if only 1 LP at a time)..I have narrowed it down to the Clearaudio Double Matrix (non sonic version), The Degritter, and the 2019 version of the Audiodesk Pro. (please ignore the price in your comments- it is the performance, convenience and logistics I am concerned with.

I am not interested in a Loricraft/Monks style machine, nor a single-side latewral move from the 16.5-it works well.,  A single-side automatic like the Nessie Vinykmaster might be in the running since I am told it is much quieter than the 16.5

Please comment and save my sanity (what's left of it anyway... working from home and have too much time on my hands....  Everyone stay well, happy and healthy/safe!




fzman1956
I have had the VPI 16.5 for years. Its okay for getting crud off. The problem with all these machines is the level of clean needed for a record cannot be done the way people want it done. The only way it can be done is with a brush or cleaning pad that is constantly changing and bringing new clean brush in contact with the record. The only machine I know of that works this way is very expensive and cleans only one side at a time. 

I'm not into cleaning either. Appreciate the results, for sure. Maybe when the day comes I have more time than I know what to do with it will be a great way to eat up that time. For now though cleaning records means not listening to records, and finding time to listen is hard enough already. Not to mention there's tweaks that improve sound far more than any clean record. So this is pretty far down the list of priorities. 

What was it you said? Oh yeah,
I want great sound, but also want to spend my time listening to LPs, not cleaning them. 

Same here.

What I would do, looking at all the stuff you already have, is mod. 

All these things really are, two motors and some tubes. One motor spins, the other sucks. You could probably take parts off one and combine with another, modify the platter, and clean both sides at the same time. Which is a silly thing but its what you want. The mod that would not be silly is to make it so the brush material is on a spool that rotates across the brush as it cleans ensuring that only fresh new clean brush fabric touches the vinyl. This mod would also greatly improve cleaning time.

Might as well. There are no machines out there that do what you ask. Might as well make it yourself. That's what I do. If I can build a turntable rack, power conditioner, and entire turntable, you ought to be able to mod a vacuum cleaner. https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367

All it takes is time. Which you now have. In abundance.
I see you mentioned the degritter.. All I know about this machine is in this link.. looks interesting. If you follow his threads he has spent a lot of time, lots and lots of time evaluating these things

http://www.high-endaudio.com/RECENT.html#Jan

fzman1956
I am not interested in doing 4 step processes, spending 20-30 minutes per side, etc. I want great sound, but also want to spend my time listening to LPs, not cleaning them ... I am shopping for a daily driver, that cleans both sides at the same time, and does a great job ... I have narrowed it down to the Clearaudio Double Matrix (non sonic version), The Degritter, and the 2019 version of the Audiodesk Pro.
Your position is the same as mine was, after I realized the Nitty Gritty cleaner I’d had for decades saw only rare use because of its inconvenience.

I bought the Klaudio machine and think it can’t be beat. Press one button; walk away; return to pristine LP. Now I can’t imagine life without it.

The Klaudio is no longer in regular production, though you might still find some NOS. The Audiodesk looks comparable, but I don’t have any first-hand experience with it.
Granted, these are expensive options. But I think their ease-of-use makes it all worthwhile.