Esoteric DV-50: Any cdp's Significantly better?


Is there are anyone out there who has compared the Esoteric DV-50 to a number of dedicated red book only players (or other universal's) and found one that is SIGNIFICANTLY better?

I stress significantly because in my humble opinion the redbook playback (if comparison unit is just a cd cd player only )must be significantly better to justify losing DVD-A, SACD and DVD-Video capability.

I keep hearing there are better one box solutions and being a die hard 2 channel fan I would sell my DV-50 if I found a player in the same price range that sounds significantly better. But every time I do an AB comparision to other well respected units the DV-50 has slayed each and every one.

So far, it has eaten the lunch of the Classe CDP-10, Ayre CX-7, Linn Ikemi, Cairn Fog Vers. 2, Cary 306/300, Arcam DV 27A and CD 33T, Myryad CD 600, etc. It even betters a Sony SCD 777ES/MF Tri-Vista 21 transport/dac combo that I previously owned. I'm only comparing the DV-50 to single box cd or universal players, but I just wanted to mention the Sony/MF combo. I'm sure there are some dac/transport combo's that will handily beat the DV 50.

Some may say that the DV 50 should beat all the above because the of price point ($5,500 vs. average price of $3,000 for the above players). But I disagree since conventional wisdom says that stand alone players (especially with the pedigree of those mentioned above) should produce better redbook than a universal player trying to be a jack of all trades. Only the DV 27A does video plus audio. By the way, I was very impressed with the 27A as just a cd player. Of all the above I would say the Ayre was the best.

Next on my list is the Electrocompaniet EMC 1UP and the Resolution Audio Opus 21. However, I must tell you I am really impressed with the DV 50 and all the great reviews are absolutely true. I've noticed that many people who are using it or comparing to other players are using the RCA analog outs instead of the balanced outs. There is a significant improvement in sound if you use the balanced outs and I'm only interested in hearing comments from people who have compared it against other players using the balanced outs on the DV-50.

My system components are as follows:

B&W N803's speakers & HTM-1 center
Cary Cinema 5 (5 x 200) amp
Anthem D1 Statement pre/pro
Esoteric DV 50
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker wire
Nirvana SX balanced interconnects from DV-50 to Anthem
Acoustic Zen Matrix reference II interconnects from D1 to Cary
No after market power cords or isolation equipment

My system sounds great! Those who comment please make sure to specify what specific improvements you heard over the DV 50 and what cdp were you comparing it against.

AVGURU
avguru
Aplhifi: I would very much appreciate your feedback on the Audio Desk Systeme. The vibration from my 2900 is significant sometimes. At first I thought it only a problem with SACDs (why would that be?), but then found a few Redbook CDs also created enough noise to be annoying. I thought what I was hearing was motor noise, but I think vibration is probably what it is.

Thanks!
John
Mikannen - Good question. At $3200 and $4200 respectively, the Exemplar and APL machines are pretty expensive. The RAM and Underwood units seem like bargains. I too, wonder how the 'bargain' Mods stack up.
Jfz, here is the link to one of the US retailers. This machine is being distributed by TEAC Esoteric in Japan. Pretty awesome stuff.

http://www.aaudio.com/store/ProductDetail.asp?catID=38&subCatID=252&productID=318

Regards,
Alex
Oldpet, we can not compare apples and oranges. The available "bargains" do not have expensive tube stages inside as Exemplar, Modwright and my 3910. This is the reason for the price difference.

More affordable all solid state (tube-less) re-design for the 3910 is now available based on the one I made to the Teac DV-50. Instead of tube output stage it will come with MOSFET Class "A" transformer coupled stage using Tamura (Japan) transformers. The mod will include my DAC with built in remote controlled attenuator, my Master Clock and various power supply upgrades using R-Core power transformer.

Regards,
Alex
Hi Alex
Don't misunderstand, what i'm asking. It's not wether the APL 3910 is worth the asking price. It's simply - how far off of the performance mark, are the "bargains"?
I am not an electrical engineer, nor do I pretend to be, so I wouldn't know the difference in price of an expensive tube out put stage. I'm just an oridnary guy who happens to love high quality audio performance. Unfortunately, I am a high school music director, so my funds are, shall I say... limited. I WANT to try the APL3910 but, my reality says no. I would be pressing the financial envelope for an Exemplar 3910 @$3200. So, that leaves me with the "bargain" choices. It also brings me back to my question. How far away are the RAM's and Underwoods, from the Best of the Best?
I wouldn't presume to make the comparison between an APL and an orange. (pun intended. :-) )
Maybe The question should be - How much better are the RAM's and Underwood's than, not only 'stock' universals, but also CDP's of equivalent $$$

Be well
Paul