Esoteric DV-50: Any cdp's Significantly better?


Is there are anyone out there who has compared the Esoteric DV-50 to a number of dedicated red book only players (or other universal's) and found one that is SIGNIFICANTLY better?

I stress significantly because in my humble opinion the redbook playback (if comparison unit is just a cd cd player only )must be significantly better to justify losing DVD-A, SACD and DVD-Video capability.

I keep hearing there are better one box solutions and being a die hard 2 channel fan I would sell my DV-50 if I found a player in the same price range that sounds significantly better. But every time I do an AB comparision to other well respected units the DV-50 has slayed each and every one.

So far, it has eaten the lunch of the Classe CDP-10, Ayre CX-7, Linn Ikemi, Cairn Fog Vers. 2, Cary 306/300, Arcam DV 27A and CD 33T, Myryad CD 600, etc. It even betters a Sony SCD 777ES/MF Tri-Vista 21 transport/dac combo that I previously owned. I'm only comparing the DV-50 to single box cd or universal players, but I just wanted to mention the Sony/MF combo. I'm sure there are some dac/transport combo's that will handily beat the DV 50.

Some may say that the DV 50 should beat all the above because the of price point ($5,500 vs. average price of $3,000 for the above players). But I disagree since conventional wisdom says that stand alone players (especially with the pedigree of those mentioned above) should produce better redbook than a universal player trying to be a jack of all trades. Only the DV 27A does video plus audio. By the way, I was very impressed with the 27A as just a cd player. Of all the above I would say the Ayre was the best.

Next on my list is the Electrocompaniet EMC 1UP and the Resolution Audio Opus 21. However, I must tell you I am really impressed with the DV 50 and all the great reviews are absolutely true. I've noticed that many people who are using it or comparing to other players are using the RCA analog outs instead of the balanced outs. There is a significant improvement in sound if you use the balanced outs and I'm only interested in hearing comments from people who have compared it against other players using the balanced outs on the DV-50.

My system components are as follows:

B&W N803's speakers & HTM-1 center
Cary Cinema 5 (5 x 200) amp
Anthem D1 Statement pre/pro
Esoteric DV 50
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun speaker wire
Nirvana SX balanced interconnects from DV-50 to Anthem
Acoustic Zen Matrix reference II interconnects from D1 to Cary
No after market power cords or isolation equipment

My system sounds great! Those who comment please make sure to specify what specific improvements you heard over the DV 50 and what cdp were you comparing it against.

AVGURU
avguru
My wife and I had the opportunity to listen to the APL Denon 3910 today, hosted generously by Alex at his home. We listened to a variety of music for about 45 minutes, and what we both noticed was that the music sounded like playback in a recording studio. That is, the component exaggerated nothing, and forced nothing. It was odd, in fact, because neither of us had ever heard a player that seemed to cover so much ground, and with such a relaxed confidence. The player did not do one thing exceptionally well. It simply did EVERYTHING well.

I don't have a lot of experience with the modded players, so this is no attempt at comparison with them. We have, however, either owned or heard at length quite a few other players/DAC's, including the top 'o the line models from Audio Aero, Audio Note, Naim, Sony, Wadia, Sim Audio, and more. The APL 3910 is definitely the most natural and balanced player that either of us has heard. Now we just have to decide whether we will buck up and have one here at home.

Thank you all for the lively thread.

Howard
OH NO,
HERE WE GO BACK TO THE APL DENON DVD-3910: ANY CDP'S SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THREAD... AGAIN!
You are a sly one, Alex!
PS- Hey 711, good to see that you finally jumped off the APL bandwagon for a while. I'm proud uv yah man!
If I must respond to this silly discussion of cheese (which I love), I will state that "Canadian Black Diamond" white chedder is the best I have ever tasted, and I have not found one to even compare in over 35 years. It is available at a good price at Sam's club stores. On the original subject (from which this thread has strayed quite a bit), what exactly is wrong with the DV-50? If all of you folks are right, then I and many other music lovers have wasted a lot of money on this player, and might as well eat our losses and buy something cheaper and have it modified by one of the wizards discussed ad infinitum in this thread. Remember also... no warranty!
Come to think of it, I did not touch the steering wheel once during the two hour drive to Alex's home. When we arrived, I again thought it odd that he was sneaking us through a side door into a room that looked suspiciously like an audiophile safehouse. By the time he was cunningly inserting CD's of our choosing while we were not paying attention to his trickery, it must have been too late. He had to be routing the 3910 through a Linn Unidisc 1.1 in the other room without our even noticing. How could we have let down our guard? We must have left our ears at home, along with our well-seasoned defense mechanism. I cannot believe it. Dear god, ANGRY AUDIO GIRL, we've been had!!! Just what the hell kind of gas do you think is in that 6H3 tube he uses??? I will never let that happen again!
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