I agree with the suggestions of Rhythmik... excellent subs in my limited experience.
Duke
Duke
What 4 subwoofers to buy?
I am using a pair of Klipsch Cornwalls from 1984 and a pair of Klipsch Heresys stacked on top of the Cornwalls. I recently bought a Klipsch R-115SW subwoofer and could not get any satisfaction from it. Too many room placement issues. So I kicked the subwoofer out of my listening room, being that I get better results all around without it.But I still desire an upgrade on bass performance and would not complain if overall speaker performance was increased. I have been reading alot lately about the DBA thing, and without even trying it, I am positive that it will be the best thing for me. But I have come to a brick wall sort of speak in my search for which subwoofers to buy. I am not rich, so buying 4 of Rels best is out of the question. I know that Miller Carbon is always saying that quantity over shoots quality, but when I use manufacturer subwoofer mating tools, the results always comes back with their most expensive subwoofer for my system. One of my main concern is will 4 lower end subs be an enhancement to my system? I was going to buy 4 SVS SB1000s because they are very good priced for the quality and they also have the high level speaker input which I will need for hooking up to my vintage integrated amp. But as I was researching all of their other models, I noticed that only their 1000s had these hookups? I emailed them and asked why their other upper models did not have high level speaker inputs? They said that none of their customers have expressed the need for them? I am not sure how to understand that? Maybe most of their customers main interest is in home theater and not 2 channel stereo? I do not know? This is where I have come to a stand still in buying my 4 subs. Will 4 lower end subs work for enhancing my system or do I need to go higher up in the chain as far as quality is concerned? Any ideas, knowledge, experience and or opinions will be greatly valued. Thank you.
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The GR open baffle sub designs are intriguing. The uncolored sound without the box, quick settling time, and the way it loads the room may be the better option but more expensive. I always see GR OB subs flanking the OB main speakers, not in a DBA, but why not in a DBA? The Rythmik G22 dual opposed sub is also tempting, has the least boxy sound (for a box). The bass array concept makes sense to me as room correction really improves the perceived tightness in bass. Best to start with a smooth room response before calibration. I've got a Parasound P5 on the way for some bass management, mainly for the high pass to relieve my tube amp from sub 50Hz duty, and reduce all those midrange smearing vibratiions in the lively Tekton DI cabinets. Integrating a sub without both a low pass and high pass crossover seems tricky. I'll soon find out what a difference a high pass makes. |
Rythmik and SVS are both great. I have a mix of them in my 4 sub setup. Power Sound Audio also makes good subs. Buying internet direct will in most cases get you more bang for your buck. I think Rythmik is the only one that will give you the connection options you want. I don't see where you ever mentioned the room size? Based on your thoughts about getting 4 SB 1000's, is $2000 your budget limit or can you spend more? If you don't have a gigantic room and aren't concerned with pressurizing it, 4 smaller subs could work just fine. You gain a lot of headroom by using multiple subs, meaning that each individual sub doesn't have to work as hard as only one or two would have to in order to produce the same SPL levels. |
Hi Elate, I would ask that you give Paradigm a chance. Our Defiance Series Subs begin with our V - Series which is made in China starting at $449 Retail for the V-8, but are designed by us in our Factory in Mississauga (Toronto) Canada. Our Defiance X-Series starting at $999 and all subs above are 100% made in our Canadian Factory. Starting at $599 Retail for the V-10, you get the ability to run our most advanced Anthem Room Correction Genesis Software, full App Control from any mobile device with the ability to adjust for phase and polarity as well as many other settings along with optional Wireless Connectivity, which I recommend as a (last resort). You can use the frequency sweep tone in the app and move in 1Hz increments from 20Hz-120Hz finding every vibration and rattle in your room or house and be able to isolate it. Our Quick Measure Tool in Genesis will allow you to find all the peaks and the nulls in the room allowing you to take screenshots of your favorite positions you mark or make note of as you move the sub around the room from position to position so you can go back and compare which spot measured the best. Every Sub we have above $599 can utilize our Genesis Software. Right now, only the Defiance Series has App Control. Again, our Defiance X-Series Woofers and Amps are made in our factory in Canada. All woofers that use our Active Ridge Technology (ART Surround) material which has two US Patents are 100% made in Canada. They are more linear than any other woofer made and that increases output and takes away distortion. https://www.paradigm.com/en/technology-design/patented-active-ridge-technology-art-surround Take a look at these videos of competitor’s woofers and you can see how out of control they are as they look like flags flapping in the wind - you’ll see the rubber surrounds get distorted because they can’t assist in controlling what the cone does. Our surrounds are over molded and literally fused to the cone. You can pull on the rubber and the rubber will tear before it separates from the woofer cone. This is not to disparage our competitors at all because many make viable products, but our X-Series Subs and above simply don’t react like these in the video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWim_TVjpno&t=54s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErijR3HSa_M The biggest benefit to our ART Surround Technology and main patent we have on it, is that it increases the output of the woofer by +3dB. From and output perspective, that is the equivalent of adding one whole additional driver to the box. All of our Subs that have those drivers is like doubling the number of drivers contained in the cabinet. This may be the single most overlooked and best advancement in woofer technology within our industry in the last 20 years. As big a company as we are, having a 250k sqft. facility where we build 68% of what we sell there, from a marketing standpoint, we still operate like a small company and this technology is widely unknown to most and likely why we tend to get overlooked in so many different categories. When people talk about buying direct over buying from a bigger manufacturer, there is the misconception that direct is always better. Because we build so much in house - we literally build machines to build parts from raw material, it gives us a huge advantage and allows us to bring technological advancements to the forefront that many other companies simply can’t produce, or certainly produce it for what we’re able to. That is what differentiates us from so many of our competitors. I hope that you will please take our products into consideration and give us chance to earn your business. https://www.paradigm.com/en/subwoofers https://youtu.be/tJJtWokUIWk You may find your closest Dealer here: https://www.paradigm.com/en/dealer-locator I always recommend calling Dealers before showing up to find out what they have to demo and of course, the times we’re in now make it more challenging. If you find a Dealer through our Website that you would like to work with, we can always help in regards to an in-home trial if you’d like. Please let us know if we can be of any further help. Thank you for your time! Chris |
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