I need advice on bi amping
heaudio123"Clearthink, Long on superlatives, and insults, as usual conveying absolutely no information and bringing nothing to the conversation." Those who lack knowledge, understanding, and plain logic often result to personal attack, insult , and derision in an effort to appear thoughtful, authoritative, and expert so from those type of people I actually accept the "insult" as an actual compliment or praise. Thank you heaudio and best of luck to you in you're journey towards truth! |
I am running a pair of re-built Veritas 2.4s. Would bi-wiring them add an appreciable difference? Seriously? No. Here's why. First of all, in order to benefit from bi-amping you need an active crossover that is at least as good as the passive one in your speakers- or you lose a step right here. The speaker right now is connected directly to the amp. Adding a crossover adds connections. The interconnects you use need to be at least good enough to make up for this, or you lose another step. Also its an active crossover. It needs power. So add in a power cord or two. One for the crossover, one for the amp. You can skip these but then guess what? Lose a step. The other supposed benefit of bi-amping is you can have a quality midrange/treble amp that doesn't need to be as powerful, and it will sound better because of being relieved of having to put out all that powerful low bass. That's the theory anyway. Which falls apart because it conveniently leaves out the fact the money spent on the crap bass amp and crossover and all the rest would have bought you an amp that sounds even better still and without having to buy all the other stuff. What you might want to ask yourself is why if bi-amping is so good nobody actually does it? Why are all the shows chock full of systems that are not bi-amped? Why are hardly any audiophiles systems bi-amped? Why is millercarbons system not bi-amped??! Just look at the stuff that crazy guy does- he would for sure be doing this if it made any sense! https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367 Right. He would. If it made any sense he would totally be all over it. The specs recommend 250 watts and I am pushing them with 100 a side.A common enough misconception. 250 watts is nothing more than an indication of how much clean power a speaker can take without going up in smoke. It has nothing to do with how much power the speaker "needs". The plain fact of the matter is speakers do not "need" any power at all. It is you who needs power, to get from the speakers the volume you want. The less volume you want, the less power you need. You're not even using the power you have now. The last thing you need is more. Don't feel bad. The industry and even us audiophiles do a terrible job of explaining this stuff. The truth is you are not "pushing 100 watts" now. You may have an amp capable of putting out 100 watts. That's an entirely different thing. In reality, if you were to measure, odds are any given moment any normal volume you're using a handful of watts at most. Now, if you want to do something that definitely will make a big improvement, add two more subs. DBA. Never fails. |
Bi-Amp DOES NOT require an external crossover. There is already a cross-over in your speakers, making it impossible for the amplifier to supply power at any frequencies other than what the speaker can take them at. In almost all woofer crossover circuits (there are always exceptions but rare), there is a series inductor. Effectively what that does is increase in resistance as the frequency goes up. In series with the tweeter is a capacitor that increases in resistance with a decrease in frequency. Yes there is more complexity to it than that, but that is the basics. What that means is when you bi-amp, the amplifier connected to the woofer, only CAN transmit power and low frequencies. It means the amplifier connected to the tweeter (or tweeter and mid) and only transmit power associated with those frequencies. In regards to Miller's comment w.r.t. why don't most audiophile bi-amp? For one, most good quality amplifiers have enough capacitance and enough feedback that perturbations in the power supply caused by the bass do not create noticeable pertubations in the the upper frequencies (IM Distortion technically). Many audiophiles like some amps, and don't like others and have no clue what is going on in the circuitry that makes that the case. Most audiophiles I have talked to have never actually even tried to bi-amp. Me and Miller are in agreement in bass arrays, but I caution against using the term DBA as there are Double Bass Arrays, and what some call Dynamic Bass Arrays (but should just call bass array), and they should not be confused with each other. |
Clearthink, You should probably spend less time on feeble attempts to discredit other posters here, while not offering up any evidence or knowledge to forward an attempt at discrediting, and spend less time on insulting other people here, and spend more time on building your own personal credibility which does not benefit from such personal attacks lacking in substance. At a minimum, I am sure you are aware that visitors can read both our posts. Where yours is nothing but a personal attack lacking substance, my posts are topically relevant and show a substantial understanding of the underlying technology. While other's may disagree with my conclusions, they will at least acknowledge I do understand the topic being discussed on more than a cursory level. What conclusion do you think readers will reach with your posts? Good day. clearthink1,151 posts04-28-2020 1:46pm |
Are you two done now or do I have to send you to your rooms? ; ) All insight- even though contradictory at times- is an opportunity to learn, so I thank you all. I bought the additional amp and will try things out. My thinking is I bi wire each side with a horizontal configuration as the amps are not actually going to be exactly the same even though they are the same model. And here I go into the vortex. A challenge I see is that the old Citation is set up for two "system" outputs, so one to each amp, but I also need my subs connected. One is a Phase Tech 10, the other an Infinity, both powered. |
