Difference in sound between Siemens e88cc and e188cc?


Interested in user experience with the Siemens e88cc and e188cc. In my rig the Siemens e88cc offers great detail, clarity, imaging, nauturalness and dynamics, but is far less tonally saturated than the Amperex e88cc. Is the Siemens e188cc (forget CCa -- $) better in that regard? How do the Siemens e88cc and e188cc differ in sound?
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petg60... please elaborate. Does the Siemens e188cc have the same great clarity, detail, imaging, naturalness and dynamics as the e88cc, but a more saturated tonality, similar to Amperex? I find the e88cc seductive, but somewhat astringent. 
E188CC is a better tube overall more dynamic better bass with a more vivid presentation. All the positive traits of e88cc with more effortless sound and quiter. Soundstage is wider.
I dont find e88cc astringent or sterile if that is what you mean but E188CC has a fuller character.
petg60... Can you offer a comparison of the Mazda/RTC e88cc/e188cc with the Siemens and Amperex equivalents?
HI,
OK this difficult as there are many variants. 
In this family the E88cc is the more vivid one with a big soundstage and open transparent feeling sound. E188CC is more relaxed and easy going with better bass (exception Amperex Holland PQ 2 STAR 7308/E188CC). They sound more esoteric than Siemens and present information a bit upfront. Quiet tubes.
Though Siemens are more consistent in sonic signature over a wider period I cannot say the same of Holland and USA ones.
All sound amazing up to 1963-1964  after that they loose some magic, not much.
Propably metals were different though tooling the same.
I believe that same tooling created Dutch tubes, French tubes, British tubes, USA tubes, Indian tubes, Yugoslavian tubes, all different and of course with different coding.
Check the coding to see what is the actual tube.
French ones are very energetic even the E188CC, a nice alternative if you want that.
What to choose, I cannot say, depends on system, and how far you want to go with tube rolling ( and pocket) but a hard pressed answer:
Holland E188CC VR5 VR6 code
S&H E188CC G1 G2 G3 code
Amperex USA 7308 VR1 -VR5 code
Holland E88CC 7L6 -7L9 code
Amperex USA 7L6 -7L8 code
S&H E88CC A1 A2 code
Mullard E88CC 7L1 code
Dario E188CC VR7 code
I am not listing here the D getter ones for astronomic pricing they seek, but the best were the Holland ones from 1958.
From what I have learned Nos tubes are hard to find in excellent condition and noise free.
E188CC is more rugged in construction and is more balanced between the sections.
Generally a more linear sound comes from S&H, Mullard E88CC/01, Russian tubes and the more colourful from the rest. Every system is different and matching a good task. 








My listening experience with Siemens in this family is a bit limited, but I never found another tube by Siemens that beat my early 1960s 6DJ8/ECC88s. Didnt like the A Frame 6922s from the 1970s one bit. I believe that I only appreciated the Siemens with the acid etched codes which preceded the tubes with codes inside the tube on a metal tab.